(November 14, 2013 at 11:30 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote: God says, "Do not lie," or I introspectively assess a situation and decide on my now that I should not lie. Both are moral.
The fallacy still holds.
Then your morality is external from god, and he's just a messenger. Therefore, "Almighty makes right," as you stated earlier, isn't correct: right makes right, and the almighty might, just possibly, share some of those attributes.
Quote:Authority is important when it comes to morals. Someone needs to take the objective stance and maintain consistency.
But how is it an objective standard if you proceed to run these objective edicts through your own morality, and decide whether they're right or wrong yourself? I'm not saying you're wrong for doing that, I'm saying that the very idea of an objective moral authority is undermined by the nature of morality as shown in the Euthyphro Dilemma. Especially since we know god commands some things that are morally wrong.
Quote:I'm curious what the independent set of morals you are talking about are. This is no longer "subjective" like you mentioned before.
They're based on the fact that we live in a reality, and can reliably predict our response to certain stimuli. For example, one independent moral would be that harming people is bad; we can say this, because in every sense our pain reaction is a negative one. There are exceptions- the shot you give your kids may hurt them temporarily, but they'll be immunized for the future- but as a general rule, "don't cause pain," holds up pretty well.
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