(November 15, 2013 at 10:21 am)whateverist Wrote: I can't tell you the basics of religion or spirituality. There are many different traditions of which religion or spirituality plays a part. I also can't tell you what gods are, but then even those who claim to know what they are don't agree on a description. You probably have your own idea of what god is and you're welcome to it. But since I don't have one it isn't a topic of interest to me.
When i see my doctor i may make a joke or two but i never would argue with him about what is a disease so when i go in a forum that discuss topics which i am not well knowledgeable then i just listen or i would ask question but in no way i would argue.
Unfortunately too many people who haven't got a clue about religion and philosophy argue non stop.
Quote:I do believe in consciousness however because I have direct experience of that. My suspicion is that our brains are elastic enough to support not only the program we call our conscious mind but also others, including whatever it is people believe to be their god.
So what is your idea about consciousness?
Can consciousness be separated from the body-mind or die when the body-mind die?

Quote:We could discuss philosophy. I have some ideas. My own philosophic bent is toward plain speech. If a thing can be said at all it should be possible to say it simply. Anything which cannot be said plainly is suspect. The chief purpose of philosophy is to sketch out what is and isn't known in areas which are not yet fully understood.
Easy said then done mate.
You try to explain something that is explained at the uni to a child and the child still would not understand.
But if you explain the same truth to the same child that in the meantime is grown up 10 or 20 years then he will understand 100%.
In other words you got to grow up your consciousness before you can grasp the idea.
Quote:There is also a history of philosophy. Unfortunately, many seem to think philosophy is a kind of bazaar where one can look for positions and opinions one might like to hold. That may be what many people do with it but that isn't philosophy.
If you stick to the real meaning of philosophy which is love for wisdom the you can not go wrong.
Where do you find wisdom?
In this physical dimension in which everything change all the time or in the inner consciousness where nothing change?
