RE: The most important reason anyone is a atheist
November 17, 2013 at 3:27 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2013 at 3:28 pm by Whateverist.)
(November 17, 2013 at 9:45 am)enrico Wrote:Quote:I do believe in consciousness however because I have direct experience of that. My suspicion is that our brains are elastic enough to support not only the program we call our conscious mind but also others, including whatever it is people believe to be their god.
So what is your idea about consciousness?
Can consciousness be separated from the body-mind or die when the body-mind die?
I have no reason to think consciousness does not require a functional brain. I know you speculate that they are independent of one another but I've heard no reason to think that myself.
(November 17, 2013 at 9:45 am)enrico Wrote:Quote:We could discuss philosophy. I have some ideas. My own philosophic bent is toward plain speech. If a thing can be said at all it should be possible to say it simply. Anything which cannot be said plainly is suspect. The chief purpose of philosophy is to sketch out what is and isn't known in areas which are not yet fully understood.
Easy said then done mate.
You try to explain something that is explained at the uni to a child and the child still would not understand.
But if you explain the same truth to the same child that in the meantime is grown up 10 or 20 years then he will understand 100%.
In other words you got to grow up your consciousness before you can grasp the idea.
Without a doubt. A young child's brain is not ready to handle certain concepts which it will be fully capable of handling a little later.
(November 17, 2013 at 9:45 am)enrico Wrote:Quote:There is also a history of philosophy. Unfortunately, many seem to think philosophy is a kind of bazaar where one can look for positions and opinions one might like to hold. That may be what many people do with it but that isn't philosophy.
If you stick to the real meaning of philosophy which is love for wisdom the you can not go wrong.
Where do you find wisdom?
In this physical dimension in which everything change all the time or in the inner consciousness where nothing change?
That doesn't seem like a meaningful distinction to me. Wisdom, meaning, knowledge and the like apply to mental processes. But those mental processes take place within a brain which finds its bearings through perception and cognition concerning the physical world. It isn't an either/or situation.