(November 20, 2013 at 12:52 am)MindForgedManacle Wrote: So let me get this straight Drich. Your argument for why God's logically inferior method of letting his creations take the reigns is better is because of... freedom of religion as a result? What? Had God himself done the job (which was the suggestion you completely dodged), it would have been executed perfectly, oon your worldview.

Truth known? God DID Set up Judaism Himself, and over time 'we'/man/jews though our afinity to worship Religion it self perverted what God had established.
When we are given a list a rules, legalism is always the result. It does not matter who delivers the rules, in the end given enough time the rules themselves get worshiped, and what God orginally intended get forgotten.
This happened with Judaism durning the period of the judges and in the time of Christ. This happened in Christianity durning the dark ages.
Quote: Comparing what men alone did to what God would logically be capable of doing is 1) The kind of illogical BS we've come to expect from you and 2) Practically bordering on heresy.

What I have found over the last 5 years of doing this 95% of self proclaimed atheists are atheist because they once believe in a legalistic God, which contradicts The bible description of God and the common sense view of God. So in light of these two contradictions one has grounds to dismiss their legalistic faith.
The foolishly proud part of this is, that they believe and never questioned the traditional legalistic view of God they had in the first place. They seem to assume to question whether or not that their former church had the 'correct' version of Christianity, or not would be an 'unforgivable sin.' So even though they claim not to believe in God they 'think' they completely understand Christianity. which ultimatly leads them to believe the no matter their understanding of God, what ever they understood, it was complete. So rather than risk hersey, they just dismissed their faith all together.
Quote:God didn't physically guide the Jews. If he was unhappy how the Jews governed themselves, he could have made it explicit by demonstrating indisputably to them that he was God in a way that could not be denied.http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NKJV
The above link is a whole book of the bible that says God lead or guide the Jews.
Quote:What you suggest Drich is a being who can't figure out that, duh, Herp de derp if they don't realize it's actually me (God) commanding this they won't listen. And if I don't tell them such that they cannot mistake it, it won't happen.So again Parting of the red sea, Manta from Heaven, Being lead through the desert by a pillar of fire, plagues, water from rocks, time literally standing still, so a battle could be fought and won in the day light, insanly out number victories, walls of Jericho being destroyed by just marching and trumpet blasts... To you none of this seems God like or Godly?
Even if you say No, If you read the book I gave you a link to The people who were apart of those things knew It was God who lead their way, which is why they orginally adopted His laws..
But again given a few thousand years and the 'religious/legalists' take what God has given and they pervert it to serve their own purposes.
Quote:No. If God himself did what he wanted to enact, we would have not only a personal relationship with him, we would have direct, incontrovertible proof that would keep us from failing to realize the supposed truth.Who are you to say "we"/Christians don't?
Quote:Since you completely ignored his bit about God doing it himself, of course you didn't understand that part. He was saying that don't try the nonsensical defense that somehow God revealing himself such that we know he exists transgresses free-will as a reason why God doesn't and hasn't done so, certainly not to everyone if he exists and does do it.I as you can see did not ignore anything. I just did not baby step you through the whole line of thought. For some reason I skiped a step, and thought you could still see it.