(November 19, 2013 at 12:19 pm)I am God Wrote: In my readings I've come to the conclusion that this myth was created because they needed it to be true.
Who needed it to be true and why, you're generalizing?
Quote:The flash point for the Christian faith are the big four gospels. Everything else flows from this. You can see that Luke and Matthew are full of nonsense and lies. They say Christ was born in Bethlehem when most everywhere else he is referred to as Jesus of Nazareth or the Nazarene.
The Nazarene comes from the OT, seems to put a dent in your thoughts on "it all comes from the Gospels." Have you even read the scriptures, what you have posted begs the question.
Quote:The reason they stopped in Bethlehem was because Joseph was on his way to Bethlehem to take part in a Census that never happened during the governorship of Quirinius who didn't take such a position until 10 YEARS after Herod's death who supposedly tried to kill baby Jesus. None of this matches up at all. So it is clearly a work of fiction. But why?
The Quirinius census has not be worked yet, but as archaeology continues to uncover the past we may find that a census was taken. We have enough info on Herod the Great to know he was more than capable of such an act. So it's not clearly a fictional work far from it. As for your but why, I thought you already had that worked out. Apparently not if you have to ask the question after you've given the answer.
Quote:The answer is because Jesus (the man) failed at the task of being Messiah as it was understood by the Jews (The people that invented the concept of Messiah).
You can prove the Jew's invented the concept of a messiah I take it?
Quote:Messiah was supposed to save Israel and her people. Not figuratively but in real life. He was supposed to be another King David. A ruler that would free the Jews from foreign rule, reestablish the 12 tribes, and be King of Israel and rule by the law of God. Christ did none of this. Israel and their temple were shortly thereafter destroyed.
You do know Jesus gave a prophecy about the Temple being destroyed. You should really read the scriptures and you might learn there are prophecies on Christ's birth, death and resurrection and then His second coming were He returns to lead and establish the new Kingdom.
Quote:Their people all but exterminated.
Really when was this?
Quote: And their culture nearly pounded and lost in the sand forever.
Really when was this?
Quote:So in ever sense of the word Messiah... Jesus failed. So a new concept of Messiah was created.
Really you can bring us some proof of your statement, right?
Quote:One where this kingdom wouldn't be one of this world but in heaven. Where he would save our souls... not our flesh. And Messiah could not be defeated because he could not be killed. To quote Obi Wan Kenobi " If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Jesus said it first, Christ came to save the whole man, not just part, read the scriptures.
Throughout time... people claiming to be Messiah (King of the Jews) were killed by more powerful folks like the Romans or even the Jews themselves. So they needed a bullet proof messiah. One that existed on a plain that couldn't be reached by swords and bows. Being brought back from the dead was a pretty common tale back then. There were other street preachers like Jesus that claimed to be able to raise the dead... and people just took it as a matter of fact because it was a time when people believed in magic and sorcery. Wasn't that impressive of a claim to make back then. It'd be like someone now saying they saw a ghost. People just believe that stuff.
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You believe in ghost do you. Seems people were astonished every time Jesus brought someone back from the dead, Lazarus was dead four days, and Christ raise them all body and soul, not just their soul.
Those who claimed they could do not have a following 2000 years later, can you name just one of the fake Jesus.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.