Where do you want to end up?!

[Darkstar]

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Also if I know that my mum / sister / dad etc are in Hell burning why the fuck would I want to worship the guy causing that?

Your statement to me is akin to a 4 year old telling his parent who has taken away his 'binkie.' That He hates them and will alway hate them for the rest of his life no matter what just because they seperated him from his beloved binkie.

You're equating his family burning in a lake of fire forever with someone losing a blanket? *Vomits*

I would be tormented if my cat scratched all my freshly painted walls but it doesn't mean that I am physically in pain.

Why are you so sure that Hell is physical in nature?

While I cannot speak for him, I would say that it (if it existed) would not be physical, though the pain may feel physical.

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Most people have good souls, if God truly loving then he should see a good soul and understand they were formed by what life presented them.

We are only 'good' when compared to much worse people. God says no one is good when compare to the standard He has set. That is why He sent son to redeem us. (Because He knew no one could obtain the standard He has.) It is now through redemption we take on the persona of Christ, in that we appear before God as sinless as Christ appears before God. That is the only way any of us can be deemed 'good.'

So you admit he made the standard impossible? And as a result, he (for some reason) had to incarnate himself as a human to kill himself so he could forgive us for not living up to a standard he deliberately made impossible to follow...

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Actually Drich when you mention we are only Good in comparison to other people what the heck does that mean someone who goes on several killing sprees throughout the Old Testament of Women and Innocent Children.

Can you prove they were 'innocent?' Or are you simply throwing out words to envoke an emotional response?

It would be hard to argue that little children deserve to die, unless you define 'innocent' as something like 'absolute moral perfection'. In which case, we all deserve to be tortured forever. Wait, that's exactly what you believe!

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Infact God Regretted Us!

Tell me you would not regret the desision to 'adopt' some bastard kid who hates you, who rapes and kills his brothers and sisters, who opposes you any chance he gets.

Adopt? Didn't he supposedly make everyone? And how many parents demand worship (on threat of eternal torture) from their children?

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In short We are commanded to Agape' God. You only seem to understand that love exists as eros. which underscores my orginal statement. You simply do not seem to understand the whole meaning of the word. Not an insult just an observation.

Agape doesn't seem any easier to develop than the other types. In fact, unconditional, spiritual (whatever that means) love seems like it would be even harder to develop.

They believe God revealed by National Revelation as a Miracle Enough generally isnt enough to prove God. So there we have it also - Jews need hard proof to believe in God.

So do Christians, that is why Chirst says if you have the faith of a mustard seed, He will provide 'proof.'

Apparently 'Chirst' is full of it. Wait, every ex-Christian just wants to sin and actually still believes in god. Never mind.

The next problem I have is this Jesus guy! There were many people running around claiming to be the Savior of Mankind, Why then has Jesus Prophecies failed so badly. So far the word 'Soon' means 2000+ Years and counting. Funny that when you goto the other side of your book and find that God created the world in 7 Days!

To God 1000 years is like a single day... From that perspective Christ has only been gone acouple of Days.

And you know this...how?

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To understand this aspect you must look beyond what this word means

That is why I disagreed with your assessment in regard to defining it for your own benefit. If I look beyond what a word means, is it not the same as looking beyond logic to accept an untruth based on fact, much in the same manner that theists take upon faith that which has no evidence to prove its existence?

Um...I don't agree with Drich, but you really took that quote out of context.

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You still believe in god? Even knowing the inconsistencies in the bible and the fact that there are multiple religions claiming to know very different gods?

As much as it would like to think it is, Christianity isn't the only religion, or theism, for that matter. Even if the Bible is bunk, he could still be a deist (although I don't think he is).

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I'm kind of all over the place with this one; don't feel obliged to reply to any of it unless you want to.