The question that makes fundies hostile

[Bad Wolf]

My kids, my mom, my dad, my sister, my brother... none of which I own.

...So i would be free to take one of YOUR Kids if they are willing to get into my van and help me look for my lost puppy?

This is really pathetic, that we are actually arguing over this. No she does not own them like you would a slave. She cares for them, is responsible for them and probably would not want them to get in your van. But she would not have any authority over her mom, dad, sister or brother as they are responsible adults and can think and reason for themselves. A child, on the other hand, cannot reason and think effectively and are unaware of such concepts of paedophilia as your van scenario implies. It would therefore be incredibly irresponsible and morally wrong to allow a child to get into a van with a stranger

One day my kids will make a choice of staying or leaving.

..And if you look in the biblical example of slavery, a slave (every seven years) had that option as well.

Yea, thats if the slaver hadn't used the loophole of giving the slave a wife while he was a slave. Then he had to make a choice. Leave, without his wife, or stay. Not exactly the same thing as children growing up and leaving.

Slavery was a possiable way of comerce, a way a poor person could ensure the safty and room and board for his family, a way for a poor person to buy land, live stock , to pay back a debt, or even marry into a family. in a soceity with little actual physical money, work was often traded for tangable things. a 'slave's agreement' was to ensure that both slave and master got what they orginally agreed to.

Yea and part of that 'slaves agreement' was that their master could beat them. But not so bad that they died immediately. If they died in a few days it would be OK though. Wouldn't you love a job like that?

They won't have to pay their way to freedom.

'Freedom isn't free.' Every generation since the beginning has had to pay something for their understanding of that word.

Yea but not every generation has been owned by another person as an object.

Furthermore, I don't use them.

It does not matter what you do with the people you own, you still own them. I have begals, they were orginally breed for hunting, but I do not use them for hunting. even so they still have that inclination to hunt. Meaning whether I use them for hunting or not they can not escape their nature. Like wise you own your kids, and whether you work them as slaves or not, they too can not escape your ownership. Your will takes precedence over their own. They must surrender themselves to you and your rules.

Utterly ridiculous, for reasons i explained above.

They live here, because I gave birth to them and I have love for them plus responsibility.

Which if you look at the way slaves were to be treated in the bible (not how the Early American treated their slaves) You will find that same sense of responsiablity.

Bullshit. Anyway, she doesn't beat her children because she can. And if she did, they would get taken away from her.

YOUR Children seem to greatly benefit by surrendering their will to you. While we both know there are other kids who are not so fortunate. so is that the institution of parental ownership that has failed them? or was it the indivisual parents that failed them?
The same is true for out and out slavery.

This whole 'comparing having children to owning a slave' bullshit is exactly that: bullshit. You argue that slaves couldn't take care of their families or themselves? Well you are wrong, they could, they just sucked at life to the point where they couldn't. Children on the other hand, are physically incapable of looking after themselves. Their bodies are small and weak and their brains have not developed enough. Comparing the two situations is absolutely absurd