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Challenging the Atheist belief
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
(November 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm)Natedeezy Wrote: Your belief that there is no higher existence, God, whatever, is based on the same level as mine, a belief.
Your understanding of the nature of most atheists is based on the same level as my understanding of olive oil manufacturing...

I don't believe there is no god.
I don't believe there is a god.

(there's a third option)
(November 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm)Natedeezy Wrote: No one knows for certain, and I'm certainly not claiming to know. I am however, not above acknowledging that my mind, and everyone's mind, is limited. If it wasn't and we had a total understanding of life, we'd be able to re-create it, we can't. And so our perspective on life is limited to what we can understand and perceive.
True, true...

Seems like the preamble to a god of the gaps argument.

(November 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm)Natedeezy Wrote: There are many examples of the unexplainable, especially in NDE's which as I mentioned, are our greatest link to understanding if there is something after this. And no matter what type of scientific explanation you can give, such as the release of DMT upon the moments of death, it can't explain everything, such as people knowing what happened while in a coma, not even in the room, but on the ground floor of the hospital.
NDEs have that N in there...
I don't like it.
Get me people who have actually been dead to tell us about how it is.

(November 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm)Natedeezy Wrote: As much as you'd like to argue that no God exists, you don't know for certain, it's nothing more than a belief, and a one rooted in pessimism at that.
Pessimism? why?
I think it's based on the optimistic view that humanity can, one day, understand much more than it does, today... the optimistic view that we still have much to learn, much to discover, much to be amazed... the optimistic view that we are all individuals which should strive to be the best we can to every other individual.... unlike the religious view which pits the in-group against the out-group...

(November 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm)Natedeezy Wrote: There could be an entire world out there that we'll never experience because we cannot perceive it. It'd be like living in a room of sulfur but not being able to smell it because your smelling sense doesn't exist, and so your refusal to believe it exists. Just because you refuse to believe it, doesn't mean you're right.
So this room full of sulfur... is there anything else I can use to measure this sulfur, besides my nose?
Add water and see that it behaves differently from water in normal conditions, perhaps?...

Our senses can't measure electromagnetic waves beyond the visible range, both to the Infra-red side of the spectrum and to the Ultra-violet on...
But we know they're there, we can make devices which do measure in those frequencies and relay the information to us.... heck, AM radio is a perfect example of that.... look it up.

(November 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm)Natedeezy Wrote: And I'm not claiming to be right, I'm just not willing to try and base my entire decision on my mind, which is clearly quite limited in this seemingly infinite world.

You are basing your "decision" on your indoctrination... on what other people told you to believe...
What if those other people are wrong? How can you tell if they're wrong?
If you can't, then they are probably wrong and you shouldn't follow them.
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Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Silver - November 26, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 12:25 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by c172 - November 26, 2013 at 12:32 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - November 26, 2013 at 12:40 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by The Valkyrie - November 26, 2013 at 12:48 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 1:15 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Owlix - November 26, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 1:27 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - November 26, 2013 at 2:30 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Jackalope - November 26, 2013 at 1:29 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 1:33 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 2:00 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cinjin - November 26, 2013 at 2:02 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Vadakin - November 26, 2013 at 2:23 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 9:37 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Jackalope - November 26, 2013 at 1:56 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Bipolar Bob - November 26, 2013 at 1:57 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 2:10 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 2:12 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cinjin - November 26, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by The Valkyrie - November 26, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by rexbeccarox - November 26, 2013 at 2:58 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 3:04 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by MitchBenn - November 26, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Minimalist - November 26, 2013 at 2:27 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Lemonvariable72 - November 26, 2013 at 2:54 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 3:13 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 3:17 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 4:44 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 4:58 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by kılıç_mehmet - November 26, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 6:11 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 6:44 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 7:23 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 7:24 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 7:37 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - November 26, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 10:05 am
Re: Challenging the Atheist belief - by NoraBrimstone - November 26, 2013 at 8:03 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 9:14 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 9:17 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Captain Colostomy - November 26, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by tokutter - November 26, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 10:14 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 10:43 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Zazzy - November 26, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:50 am
Re: Challenging the Atheist belief - by NoraBrimstone - November 26, 2013 at 11:53 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Simon Moon - November 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Silver - November 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Silver - November 26, 2013 at 1:31 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by downbeatplumb - November 26, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Silver - November 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:00 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by rexbeccarox - November 26, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by CapnAwesome - November 26, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by TheBeardedDude - November 26, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by TheBeardedDude - November 26, 2013 at 3:32 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Vadakin - November 26, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Simon Moon - November 26, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - November 27, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mudhammam - December 1, 2013 at 5:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Jacob(smooth) - December 1, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - December 1, 2013 at 11:01 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Esquilax - December 2, 2013 at 4:05 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by paulpablo - December 2, 2013 at 11:51 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Walking Void - December 2, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by downbeatplumb - December 2, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Simon Moon - December 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Esquilax - December 6, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 9, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - December 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by rexbeccarox - December 6, 2013 at 6:39 pm

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