(November 27, 2013 at 8:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: If gay people can't/don't exercise choice, (in the same way as bi-curious ppl do or celibate people do, or heterosexual male prisoners do, etc. etc.) then how come some gay people choose to try gay conversion therapy???
If being gay is a choice, why would they need to try gay conversion therapy? Why not just choose to be heterosexual?
Quote:Leaving aside the question of whether such therapy works, there are some gay people who exercise intent.
And that desire or intent shows that such people have conscious volition.
A person who has no ability to choose their sexual preference would not have the capacity to contemplate such an irrelevant thing.
Some people contemplate seeking psychiatric treatment. They have a desire/intent and therefore they have a conscious volition. Does this mean that mental illness is a choice? Of course not. Having the desire to change an aspect of yourself does not mean that you have the capacity to enact that change. I might desire to become a giant panda and go to great lengths in order to become one, but to say that the only reason I am not a giant panda is that I have chosen not to be a giant panda is patently absurd. Only a fool would think otherwise.
Quote:If you want to see gay activists go berserk with the No True Scotsman fallacy, just ask them how come a person can get married to the opposite sex, have children, and wait 20 years to finally decide they are gay?
Maybe one day you'll realise why that is a malformed question. I doubt it, but you never know