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The question that makes fundies hostile
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile
(November 27, 2013 at 8:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: If gay people can't/don't exercise choice, (in the same way as bi-curious ppl do or celibate people do, or heterosexual male prisoners do, etc. etc.) then how come some gay people choose to try gay conversion therapy??? Thinking

If being gay is a choice, why would they need to try gay conversion therapy? Why not just choose to be heterosexual?

Quote:Leaving aside the question of whether such therapy works, there are some gay people who exercise intent.
And that desire or intent shows that such people have conscious volition.

A person who has no ability to choose their sexual preference would not have the capacity to contemplate such an irrelevant thing.

Some people contemplate seeking psychiatric treatment. They have a desire/intent and therefore they have a conscious volition. Does this mean that mental illness is a choice? Of course not. Having the desire to change an aspect of yourself does not mean that you have the capacity to enact that change. I might desire to become a giant panda and go to great lengths in order to become one, but to say that the only reason I am not a giant panda is that I have chosen not to be a giant panda is patently absurd. Only a fool would think otherwise.

Quote:If you want to see gay activists go berserk with the No True Scotsman fallacy, just ask them how come a person can get married to the opposite sex, have children, and wait 20 years to finally decide they are gay?

Maybe one day you'll realise why that is a malformed question. I doubt it, but you never know
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The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godlesspanther - November 25, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Kayenneh - November 25, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 25, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mothonis - November 25, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Simplyalex - November 27, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 27, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 26, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by feeling - December 2, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 2, 2013 at 10:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 3, 2013 at 3:47 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 3, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 5, 2013 at 3:51 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - December 5, 2013 at 4:32 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 5, 2013 at 6:56 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 5, 2013 at 7:12 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - December 5, 2013 at 10:23 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Ksa - December 12, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 25, 2013 at 6:26 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Kayenneh - November 25, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 7:07 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 25, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 9:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Silver - November 25, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 10:05 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Silver - November 25, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Silver - November 25, 2013 at 11:09 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Whateverist - December 2, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 25, 2013 at 10:09 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Silver - November 25, 2013 at 11:16 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 6:18 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godlesspanther - November 26, 2013 at 11:15 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 26, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 10:35 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Whateverist - December 2, 2013 at 10:38 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by tokutter - November 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 26, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Chas - November 26, 2013 at 11:58 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godlesspanther - November 25, 2013 at 10:42 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 11:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Rev. Rye - November 25, 2013 at 11:01 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by kiwimac - November 26, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 27, 2013 at 12:43 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Minimalist - November 26, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Kayenneh - November 25, 2013 at 7:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Cato - November 25, 2013 at 7:41 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 25, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Polaris - November 25, 2013 at 10:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 11:06 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Polaris - November 25, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 11:19 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Polaris - November 25, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - November 26, 2013 at 12:07 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - November 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 4:13 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - November 26, 2013 at 7:14 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 8:15 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - November 26, 2013 at 10:03 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by MitchBenn - November 26, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godlesspanther - November 26, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 26, 2013 at 1:06 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 4:27 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 6:17 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 6:18 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 6:21 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 6:23 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 6:29 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 7:21 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Ben Davis - November 26, 2013 at 10:29 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 6:52 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zen Badger - November 26, 2013 at 6:36 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 6:39 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 11:08 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 11:25 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 26, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Avodaiah - November 26, 2013 at 5:33 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by MitchBenn - November 26, 2013 at 9:58 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Minimalist - November 27, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 26, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 27, 2013 at 12:04 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Ben Davis - November 27, 2013 at 6:57 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 26, 2013 at 11:02 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 11:59 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 27, 2013 at 12:05 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 27, 2013 at 12:06 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 27, 2013 at 8:07 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - November 27, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Ben Davis - November 27, 2013 at 10:14 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 27, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Ben Davis - November 28, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 27, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 27, 2013 at 12:36 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 27, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by WesOlsen - November 27, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 27, 2013 at 8:33 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 27, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 27, 2013 at 8:55 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 27, 2013 at 9:36 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - November 28, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 28, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 28, 2013 at 3:57 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - November 27, 2013 at 9:50 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 27, 2013 at 9:58 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 27, 2013 at 10:05 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - November 27, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 28, 2013 at 4:52 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 28, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Silver - November 28, 2013 at 2:46 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 28, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - November 29, 2013 at 1:20 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - November 29, 2013 at 1:44 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - November 29, 2013 at 1:47 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 30, 2013 at 3:28 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 1, 2013 at 9:57 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 1, 2013 at 11:28 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 1, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Ben Davis - December 2, 2013 at 7:19 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by WesOlsen - November 28, 2013 at 4:25 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - November 28, 2013 at 5:56 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 28, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 28, 2013 at 2:49 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 28, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - November 29, 2013 at 5:02 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 29, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 29, 2013 at 9:10 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 30, 2013 at 10:27 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 1, 2013 at 5:19 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zen Badger - December 1, 2013 at 6:05 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 1, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - December 2, 2013 at 8:32 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - December 2, 2013 at 9:06 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 2, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - December 2, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 2, 2013 at 9:58 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - December 2, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 2, 2013 at 9:19 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 3, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 3, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mr Greene - December 3, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 3, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 3, 2013 at 7:34 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 3, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 4, 2013 at 7:46 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - December 4, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 3, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by WesOlsen - December 4, 2013 at 3:04 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - December 5, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 5, 2013 at 10:56 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 5, 2013 at 11:55 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 6, 2013 at 1:01 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 6, 2013 at 10:33 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Whateverist - December 6, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 5, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Jackalope - December 6, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 6, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 6, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - December 6, 2013 at 2:24 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 6, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 6, 2013 at 6:03 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 6, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 7, 2013 at 4:18 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 7, 2013 at 6:44 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 7, 2013 at 11:38 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 6, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 6, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 6, 2013 at 1:41 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 6, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Whateverist - December 6, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 7, 2013 at 12:13 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 6, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 6, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 6, 2013 at 8:55 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 6, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 6, 2013 at 9:13 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Crossless1 - December 7, 2013 at 3:13 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 7, 2013 at 5:26 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Chas - December 7, 2013 at 9:02 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 7, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 7, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 7, 2013 at 7:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 10:03 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 7, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - December 7, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 8, 2013 at 5:42 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 9, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 9, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 9, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 8, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 9, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 9, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 9, 2013 at 7:52 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 9, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 10, 2013 at 4:02 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 10, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 10, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 10, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 9, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 10, 2013 at 1:09 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Silver - December 10, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 10, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 10, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 11, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 11, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 11, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 12, 2013 at 3:47 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 12, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Tonus - December 12, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 12, 2013 at 8:26 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 13, 2013 at 4:22 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Rayaan - December 11, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Chas - December 20, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Rayaan - December 10, 2013 at 3:46 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 10, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 10, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 10, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 11, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 11, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 11, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 11, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 10, 2013 at 8:05 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 11, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 11, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 11, 2013 at 8:24 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 12, 2013 at 3:50 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 12, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 12, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 13, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 13, 2013 at 9:52 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by feeling - December 13, 2013 at 5:03 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 13, 2013 at 10:20 pm

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