The question that makes fundies hostile

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Drich said: God set up a soceity that allowed for slavery, and condemned homosexuality. Therefore slavery is not as bad as homosexuality. The fact that soceity says that your intolerance should be reversed only speaks to declining 'morality' in soceity.

I am positively flabbergasted that any 21st Century person could make such a statement as that. To begin by stating that “God set up a society that allowed for slavery and condemned homosexuality. Therefore slavery is not as bad as homosexuality.” is ignoring that this was the ancient world, and that slavery was pretty much universally accepted in that long ago barbaric time. The world was like that. Yahweh was a tribal god, only interested in what the Israelites were up to insofar as “setting up” anything. Now we are all these centuries later, I don't see any sky-daddies “setting up” anything. Where are the religious leaders advocating ownership of people by other people? Yes, you do have many who are condemning gay people in general for being “sinful” and advocating continuing to deny giving them the rights they are entitled to as fellow human beings, but if Drich is correct why is slavery not OK nowadays if it is OK with God?

Drich said: Whether that makes me a slave, slave owner or none of the above if we were forced to pick one of the two societies I will pick slavery.

I truly don't think that you are going to get many people to join you on that one, Drich.

Drich said: Slavery is not intrinsically bad. It is what man does with slavery that makes it evil..

OED: intrinsic- belonging naturally, essential

Excuse me, but I think that it is, indeed, very much "intrinsically" bad.

I really cannot help but feel flabbergasted that this guy actually said this. This dude is so twisted that it is beyond Bachman, this is truly world class wackness. He probably has a Michelle Bachman judy doll stashed in his bedroom closet.

 
Drich Wrote:  Slavery is not intrinsically bad. It is what man does with slavery that makes it evil..
Ivy replied:
Claiming ownership of another human being and using them for your own wants is not intrinsically bad? How is it good? Or is it not intrinsically good or bad? It's neutral?
Drich responds:
It's neutral. Do you have kids? Have you ever used the term "my kids?" Anyone using that term has expressed ownership of another human being. Even so do we consider this to be an evil thing?

Of course not, what makes ownership of another person good or bad is what you do with the life you have control over.

I have no idea if Drich has been or is a parent or not. But my wife and I raised 3 daughters and 1 son to adulthood. We were responsible for the welfare of our kids when they were minors, but we certainly did not “own” them. When your child is born a birth certificate is issued, not a registration of ownership. Responsibilty for the welfare of is not a form of ownership. Could this guy be a closet Dominionist? Considering the excrement that keeps flowing from his keyboard I rather think he would love a theocracy. Then he could bring back all that good stuff that would suit his deity's standard: slavery, stoning uppity adolescents, stoning people for mowing their lawns on the sabbath. You know, stuff good God-fearing people would all love to have.

Drich Wrote:  Slavery is not intrinsically bad. It is what man does with slavery that makes it evil..
Kitanetos responded:
You are reaching.

Is there some sort of mechanism that goes off in your mind that makes you protect your evil god no matter how logical the argument in support of his evilness?

So far as I can see religious belief is entirely an emotional response kind of thing. As a result, trying to dislodge it using logic is like as not going to be a no go. You've been taught this since you can remember and you “know” the truth of it. I see God and man as a parent-child relationship. Look at the dynamics of it. God the Heavenly Father, who is supposed to have made everything, even ourselves. And just like dad, he supposedly loves us, but you had damn well better do as he says. Lots of kids are scared of their fathers. Many still are even after they become adults, they just never get over it. Good God-fearing people (I really hate that term), well, that really tells you all you need to know. If you are afraid of someone then that isn't love. No matter how much they tell you they do. If you are afraid, then there is a reason why, and it isn't love they have for you it is possessiveness.
For God so loved the world that he committed the first case of entrapment in the Garden of Eden against two naifs who just wanted knowledge. So they did something that really was not any big deal, and he acted like they committed multiple felonies. Then along comes this fucked up notion of “original sin” that we all get stuck with. The whole notion of sin is bullshit. Yes there is right and wrong but there is no such thing as sin. Not only that, he further proved how much he loved the world by talking some gullible half-wit into almost killing his own son just to please him. Doesn't matter that he stayed Abraham's hand, it was still a sick thing to do. But he wasn't done yet, just because people kind of pissed him off in general he decides to waste the whole lot of them, along with every other living thing with a flood – he really knows how to show his love, you gotta admit. And you all can think of lots of other wonderful shows of affection in that wonderful old tome, I am sure.
Really, all it comes down to is “I made you, you are mine and I will do whatever I damned well please with you people just because.... I'll entrap you, set standards that cannot possibly be met, be vindictive and dump all kinds of evil on the good and reward the bad for no particular reason. And then send the bulk of you to a fiery pit just because I'm like that. And those of you who get to heaven can spend eternity telling me how wonderful I am.” And all those fundie loons will agree, after all, godsaidit.