(November 29, 2013 at 12:20 pm)Raven Wrote: So far as I can see religious belief is entirely an emotional response kind of thing. As a result, trying to dislodge it using logic is like as not going to be a no go. You've been taught this since you can remember and you “know” the truth of it. I see God and man as a parent-child relationship. Look at the dynamics of it. God the Heavenly Father, who is supposed to have made everything, even ourselves. And just like dad, he supposedly loves us, but you had damn well better do as he says. Lots of kids are scared of their fathers. Many still are even after they become adults, they just never get over it. Good God-fearing people (I really hate that term), well, that really tells you all you need to know. If you are afraid of someone then that isn't love. No matter how much they tell you they do. If you are afraid, then there is a reason why, and it isn't love they have for you it is possessiveness.
For God so loved the world that he committed the first case of entrapment in the Garden of Eden against two naifs who just wanted knowledge. So they did something that really was not any big deal, and he acted like they committed multiple felonies. Then along comes this fucked up notion of “original sin” that we all get stuck with. The whole notion of sin is bullshit. Yes there is right and wrong but there is no such thing as sin. Not only that, he further proved how much he loved the world by talking some gullible half-wit into almost killing his own son just to please him. Doesn't matter that he stayed Abraham's hand, it was still a sick thing to do. But he wasn't done yet, just because people kind of pissed him off in general he decides to waste the whole lot of them, along with every other living thing with a flood – he really knows how to show his love, you gotta admit. And you all can think of lots of other wonderful shows of affection in that wonderful old tome, I am sure.
Really, all it comes down to is “I made you, you are mine and I will do whatever I damned well please with you people just because.... I'll entrap you, set standards that cannot possibly be met, be vindictive and dump all kinds of evil on the good and reward the bad for no particular reason. And then send the bulk of you to a fiery pit just because I'm like that. And those of you who get to heaven can spend eternity telling me how wonderful I am.” And all those fundie loons will agree, after all, godsaidit.
You have said a lot here. I suspect that Drich is a dominionist if not a total fucking reconstructionist. Persons such as Rick Perry and Michelle Bachman really are every bit as fucked-up as Drich is.
Another thing that one might note is that all of the things that Drich said about slavery not being intrinsically bad, splitting hairs as to the definition of the word, saying that slaves were better off than they would be otherwise, etc. are all things that the pro-slavery Americans said prior to the civil war.
Yes, these creeps really do consider a primitive, uncivilized, barbaric, inhumane, ignorant, and immoral society to be better than a progressive, educated, civilized, rational, advanced, egalitarian, and free society.
Religion really does poison everything.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste -- don't pollute it with bullshit.