The question that makes fundies hostile

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Drich wrote: It does not matter what you do with the people you own, you still own them. I have begals, they were orginally breed for hunting, but I do not use them for hunting. even so they still have that inclination to hunt. Meaning whether I use them for hunting or not they can not escape their nature. Like wise you own your kids, and whether you work them as slaves or not, they too can not escape your ownership. Your will takes precedence over their own. They must surrender themselves to you and your rules.

From the OED: 1: a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
A person's children are not the “legal property of another”. Rather, the parent has legal responsibility for the welfare of their child. With a slave the legal onus was on the slave to obey and work. With a parent-child relationship the legal onus is on the parent to fulfill their responsibility to properly care for their kid. It is not the same thing. All you “own” as a parent is your responsibility.

Drich wrote: My whole point is that white guilt propaganda had changed the meaning of the word so much that you/we do not truly understand the word any more. You see the word slaves as always being bad. I see the word to mean one who has to surrender his own will to that of another. Now whether that is a good or bad thing completely depends of 'the other.'

What a bunch of crap! The definition of a slave is pretty simple. You are legally the property of another person. Having “to surrender his own will to that of another.” is not nor could it ever be a positive thing, and all your “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin” hair-splitting can not change that

Tokutter asked: So it's ok to take a rod and beat your kids/slaves as long as they don't die within 2 days????

Drich responded: It depends on what they did.

Living proof that they never should have emptied out the psych wards.

Drich said: I want to live in a society that only pretends to be intolerant of slavery, but have it's very existence completely depends on it, so I can be a self righteous douche bag and pretend that my life would not completely stop if not for the slave laborers I need to survive. Then what's more if I am feeling extra douchie I will want to also retain the right criticize someone who wants to challenge this practice of burying our collective heads in the sand about modern day slavery, when he says he wants to take the blinders off and call a spade/slave a slave.
Meaning If this guy wants to say hey, what are we doing? How can we say we hate slavery, and Dedicate a whole day of the year to buying insanely cheap slave made products? That these actions not only facilitate slavery they force the consumer goods industry to close up shops in fair trade countries and to open up shops in slave trade countries.. That if this society took the responsibility, of identifying and accepting the slave trade for what it truly is, that those forced into working a slave wage factories, would receive better treatment. I want to reserve the right to call such a person who points to my own hypocrisy a bigot, so I can dismiss what this guys says without having to actually address any of his content.

You must be a fucking teabagging republican. You ever work in a union shop? Oh, right! They don't allow that nasty soshulis' kinda stuff down there where you good God-fearin' Starz n Barz folks all live. Well, my old man was a shop steward. I spent 30 years as a union pest control technician. The fight never fucking stops. When I met my wife she was working here, in the US, in a fucking sweat shop. That's right - piecework. In Brooklyn. The fight is here, not Mexico, not China, here. You are the one who needs to pull his head out of the sand. Those Ayn Rand worshipping, free market, crypto-fascists would turn the entire 99% into slaves if they only could. As it is we're all wage slaves. They've all but destroyed the middle class in this country. Mexico and China's workers will have to solve their own problems. But in the underlying cultures of both those nations the poor were always getting walked on, and it's going to take a lot for them to rise above that.
It's never going to change until people wake up and stop taking it on the chin. They've got to stop longing for that America that never was, and quit voting against their own interest. This is practical politics and your disgusting, malevolent excuse for a deity has nothing whatever to do with it. The damned teabaggers are just using that as a smoke screen for their true agenda, knowing that bozos like you will always follow along.