(December 3, 2013 at 9:34 pm)Stimbo Wrote: First you have to establish what you are setting out to prove, ie that the Universe actually was intelligently created. Only then can you even think of moving to the next stage. It's like someone being put on trial; it's vital to establish that there even was a crime committed long before booking the courtroom. That's why going straight from arrest to sentence is known as summary justice (or a lynch mob) and generally regarded as A Bad Thing.Universe actually was intelligently created ------------- starting with a hypothesis that it was created, the observations makes sense. that's the proof. now, if the simplest explanation is not acceptable to you then the more complicated method needs to be explained and without this idea of 'appealing to future'.
As for the dream being silly, I totally agree. But it's no more so than pointing to bits from a storybook. I just used it to illustrate just how silly.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.