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"The bible test" Answered.
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RE: "The bible test" Answered.
(December 5, 2013 at 10:56 am)xpastor Wrote: max-greece has already nailed down all the pathetic question-dodging that Drich engages in, so I won't bother with a line-by-line deconstruction.
ROFLOL So out of 50 question your best objection is based on a dietary concern?

Quote:Just a comment on one response. #7 Drich demonstrates that he knows bugger-all about the Old Testament dietary laws and microbiology.

The laws in fact declare unclean some grass-eating animals, like the rabbit mentioned right there in the question and also the camel.
I said any animal that grazes. To Graze: to feed on growing herbage
Herbage: herbaceous vegetation (as grass) especially when used for grazing
2: the succulent parts of herbaceous plants

Rabbit's diets does include herbage but is not limited to it. the also brows which means they also eat bark, twigs and other tough foods. Because of this (if you had a clue as to what you were talking about) you would know know rabbits do some thing with their 'food' that true grazers don't.
"Rabbits are herbivores that feed by grazing on grass, forbs, and leafy weeds. In consequence, their diet contains large amounts of cellulose, which is hard to digest. Rabbits solve this problem by passing two distinct types of feces: hard droppings and soft black viscous pellets, the latter of which are known as caecotrophs and are immediately eaten (a behaviour known as coprophagy). Rabbits reingest their own droppings (rather than chewing the cud as do cows and many other herbivores) to digest their food further and extract sufficient nutrients."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit

Did you see it? They EAT Their own Poop! which makes them just as uncleas as a pig for one of the same reasons.

Camels were considered unclean because they did not have 'cloven hooves', even though they chewed cud. Scientifically Camels and pigs shared a common ancestor, and as recent as 2005 there have been cases of bubonic plague steming from the consumption of camel liver.

Camels' immune system differs from those of other mammals. Normally, the Y-shaped antibody molecules consist of two heavy (or long) chains along the length of the Y, and two light (or short) chains at each tip of the Y. Camels, in addition to these, also have antibodies made of only two heavy chains, a trait that makes them smaller and more durable. These "heavy-chain-only" antibodies, discovered in 1993, are thought to have developed 50 million years ago, after camelids split from ruminants and pigs.[36]

A 2005 report issued jointly by the Saudi Ministry of Health and the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention details cases of human bubonic plague resulting from the ingestion of raw camel liver.[105]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel

Quote:In fact, Drich cannot read. The basis for declaring an animal unclean is clearly stated when you put together the prohibition against pig (And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you) and rabbit (And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you).
I don't know how the rest of the TNG Fans feel about this, but I would ask you to change your avatar, because your comments make Captian Picard look ignorant of basic biology. As a star ship Captain Picard would have a fundemental understanding of where to Check his facts before he just started spouting uninformed nonsense.

Quote:The ancient Israelites were herders of sheep, goats and cattle. A species is judged clean only if it displays two of the most obvious characteristics of their herd animals: eating grass and having a cloven hoof.
If this is the level of scrutiny and attention to detail you approached your faith with, then i can see why you are an 'ex-pastor.'
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Maybe I am wrong and your not ignorant here, maybe your just being dishonest to validate your arguement. Because according to lev 11 the law states Chewing CUD and hooves is the qualifier here. not just eating grass. Rabbits eat grass but to not chew cud. In lew of chewing cud they re-eat their poop. Camels chew cud but have a foot similar to that of a pig, which infact means they share a common ancestor, resulting in a general susceptibility to disease that is readily transferiable to humans. Ever heard of sheep flu or goat fever? what about cow cough no? what about H1N1? what was the common name for that again?Thinking

Quote:Fundamentalists used to claim, maybe still do, that pork was prohibited because it could carry trichinosis, though that could easily have been dealt with by a command to cook all meat thoroughly. It is truer than Drich's claim that pork spoils faster than beef or mutton but it's still bullshit.
Big Grin My job/career is centered around keeping the meat hungry populace away from spoilage by providing/servicing the equipment needed to perserve said perishables while in transport. In doing so we are subject to all manor of regulation by the goverment. In the US we have a law obama signed into effect call the food saftey act. In this act/law sets a standards of spoilage on all meats (among other things.) This rate of spoilage is determined by temp the meat is kept, what it is treated with, and the Type of meat. Because Not all meat decays at the same rate. the celluar structure of the meat is apart of this equasion, but so is the presents of enzimes contained with in the meat, due to the diet and make up of the animal. below is an offical PDF that describes all of this in much greater detail, oh and it also includes a table that shows beef and other cud chewing animals with hooves have double if not almost 3 longer shelf life than pork.

http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=fulltext&aId=1468338
I could not get my offical pdf up, but this one from the DOAJ uses the same tables.


Quote:Needless, to say the Bible says nothing about prohibiting these "unclean" meats for health reasons, and the prohibition was lifted in the New Testament when there was no improvement in food preparation hygiene. The distinction between clean and unclean was purely ritualistic with no health benefits.
Why would the bible say these things? to whom would it be speaking? when were germs even discovered? To give an explaination that bacteria and the break down of celluar material causes sickness and disease would be meaningless for everyone for 4000+ years.. So again preacher man who would the bible be speaking to? Why would it alienate 4000+ years of people just to speak to the last few generations?

God deemed the meat 'unclean.' In a very literal sense it is or can be if not handeled properly. This is enough for people who live 4000 years ago to completely understand. It is also enough for us to now figure out why.

Take very close notes on the facts that just because we are now just figuring out why, the what God said was unclean back then did not change.

(December 5, 2013 at 11:55 am)max-greece Wrote:
Quote:@greasy-Max If you want me to respond fix your quote tags.

Why would I want you to respond? I've already seen how low you will stoop. I just wasn't going to let your gross misrepresentation stand.

ROFLOL

Given the lashing John Luck Pick-herd just endured on just one question, I don't blame you. Cool Shades i would want my poorly conceived zinngers scrutinized with truth and fact either.
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