RE: Christians, what is your VERY BEST arguments for the existence of God?
February 12, 2010 at 9:38 pm
(February 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm)Tiberius Wrote:I was giving Plantiga's argument as an an example of an ontological argument you didn't parody. There are many more. Parodies are only successful when they look at specific arguments and use the same logic. There is no "general" ontological argument. Plus your parody fails because it uses the concept of a "non-existent creator" which makes no logical sense.(February 12, 2010 at 3:49 pm)BioLogos Wrote: Which ontological argument? It doesn't appear to use the same logic as Plantiga's modal argument.*You* brought up Plantiga's ontological argument, after you called my response "not serious". How could I have been talking about Plantiga's model? I was talking about the general ontological argument, and the counter-argument is the parody to point out how you can "prove" anything using the same faulty logic. I'm not going over this again...
Quote:Yes, I mistyped. S5 is used *from* the possibility premise, my bad. The problem is that if something possibly exists, it does not infer that it necessarily exists. You could define anything into existence this way, as long as what you are bringing into existence isn't logically impossible.So we could replace "maximally excellent being" with anything we liked (that possibly existed) and the argument would still be valid? I presume that isn't what you meant.
