RE: Does this sound too much like organized religion?
February 13, 2010 at 4:53 am
(This post was last modified: February 13, 2010 at 4:57 am by tackattack.)
(February 12, 2010 at 2:30 pm)tavarish Wrote:
An infallible plan is not a definition of free will.. you will have to define. Let me go ahead and cut to the thick of it on this one. Let's go under the assumption that God knows every possibility that ever could happen anywhere. Let's say he writes them all in his magical book reffered to in the bible (quite silly really but it helps to visualize I guess). In his creation he made everything including knowledge. He provided us dominion over all of this everything to do with as we please (free will). We choose knowledge over acceptance ( and continue to do that even today). Just because yesterday is tomrrow is now to him and he sees every possibility, doesn't indicate he shooses for us. If he is an abolute and perfect, then he can only be what he is and would only do what he does. Therefore acting on our behalf wouldn't change the outcome of the result of all the descision of all entities ever existing with free will. Perhaps you don't see his actions in your life because you reject him. His will (going off the naturalist assumption it's similar to our will) would only be focused on entities that focus on him, hence the "you have to believe to see" problem between theists and athesits.
To sum it up:
1- I have free will to focus on whichever possibilities I see as adventageous
2- God sees all possibilities relative to each individual throughout time's existance
3- God has a plan that includes every possible action I can take and he allows me to take whichever action I see fit
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