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The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque
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RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque
(December 7, 2013 at 12:30 pm)TaraJo Wrote:
(December 7, 2013 at 11:04 am)DOS Wrote: The concepts and ideas make the things happen - cars, future journeys to the stars and stuff like that.

You're right. The concept of Gawd does make things happen. For example, it made countless wars happen. The concept of science built cars and got us to the stars.

Also, you've kinda admitted that God isn't anything more than a thought or a concept or idea. Sound about right?

It is a man with concepts and ideas make the wars happen.
Some have a wooden statue being their God according to their thoughts, concepts and ideas.

(December 7, 2013 at 12:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(December 7, 2013 at 1:35 am)DOS Wrote: Would you believe in my dream that I saw that night if I did not provide you any evidence of my dream. Same goes with religious stuff


Not the same thing as religious stuff at all.

If you told me you had a dream, and described it, I'd have no reason to doubt you. I wouldn't require a shred of evidence to accept that you had a dream.

Everyone has dreams. While not completely understood, they are explainable. There is known brain chemistry and brain states that associated with dreams that have been observed. Dreams are mundane occurrences, natural occurrences.

Alleged religious experiences are supposedly not mundane, not everyone has them and they are claimed to be supernatural.

If you told me that you had a supernatural religious experience, I'd have every reason to doubt your claim. Since it is not a mundane, natural occurrence, I'd require plenty of demonstrable, verifiable, repeatable evidence to support your claim.

Let's try this example of the difference in claims:

If I told you that I had a Coke and a burger for lunch, you'd probably believe me without the need for supporting evidence.

If I told you that I had a Coke and a burger for lunch in an alien spaceship in orbit around Earth, you'd expect me to provide massive amounts of evidence to support my story before you'd believe me.

See? Even you understand the difference between mundane claims and extraordinary claims, and the evidence needed to believe either.

Well, granted that it was only a dream, yet the sensation of the love of those innocent and beautiful people has remained with me for ever, and I feel as though their love is still flowing out to me from over there. I have seen them myself, have known them and been convinced; I loved them, I suffered for them afterwards. Oh, I understood at once even at the time that in many things I could not understand them at all ... But I soon realised that their knowledge was gained and fostered by intuitions different from those of us on earth, and that their aspirations, too, were quite different. They desired nothing and were at peace; they did not aspire to knowledge of life as we aspire to understand it, because their lives were full. But their knowledge was higher and deeper than ours; for our science seeks to explain what life is, aspires to understand it in order to teach others how to love, while they without science knew how to live; and that I understood, but I could not understand their knowledge.

"The Dream of a Ridiculous Man" by Feodor Dostoevsky

Would you ask Dostoesvky to provide massive amounts of evidence to support his dream has had actually taken place?

See ya
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The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 6, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 6, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 6, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 6, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 6, 2013 at 4:25 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 6, 2013 at 5:16 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 7, 2013 at 1:35 am
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 7, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 7, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 7, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 8, 2013 at 2:59 am
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 8, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 8, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 7, 2013 at 2:20 am
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 8, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 8, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 8, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 8, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 8, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 9, 2013 at 4:27 am
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 9, 2013 at 6:20 am
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 9, 2013 at 4:53 am
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 9, 2013 at 6:35 am
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 9, 2013 at 6:56 am
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by Chas - December 9, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque - by DOS - December 9, 2013 at 12:02 pm

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