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The question that makes fundies hostile
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile
(December 9, 2013 at 9:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: If it's not true then why should I believe God is real? Why would you believe the OT over The NT.

GC

There's reasons to believe god is real. The possibility is not impossible. Hence I'm an agnostic. I'm still searching for that possibility because frankly: the thought of this life being all there is, is disappointing. I understand your hesitation but if I were you I wouldn't accept the Bible as the word of god for all the security in the world. Its just wrong.
GC Wrote:Who said history is true, most of ancient history is assumption from little evidence.

GC

There is proof out there, though. I showed you some and you dismissed it without adequate basis because it doesn't align with what you think you know.

GC Wrote:We're guided by God and see the truth of scriptures, at least those who will accept the truth, regardless as to what we think of it.

GC
From what I can ascertain, you see social observations and commentary that may be quite intuitive. I myself could write a book on how to best handle strife and obstacles, and how to deal with people in a way that can give one fulfillment. Does that mean there is a god who inspired it? No, it just means an intuitive human wrote it.
As for the rest of the Bible, you ignore it at best or uphold it at worst--building up logical fallacies in order to account for the
inequitous contradictions therein.
In the end it comes down to how much of your morality you're willing to compromise, in exchange for the comfortability of the promise of ultimate justice (revenge upon those who do wrong) and hope of an afterlife.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godlesspanther - November 25, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Kayenneh - November 25, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 25, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mothonis - November 25, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Simplyalex - November 27, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 27, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 26, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by feeling - December 2, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 2, 2013 at 10:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 3, 2013 at 3:47 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 3, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 5, 2013 at 3:51 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - December 5, 2013 at 4:32 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 5, 2013 at 6:56 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 5, 2013 at 7:12 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - December 5, 2013 at 10:23 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Ksa - December 12, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 25, 2013 at 6:26 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Kayenneh - November 25, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 7:07 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 25, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 9:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Silver - November 25, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 10:05 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Silver - November 25, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Silver - November 25, 2013 at 11:09 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Whateverist - December 2, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 25, 2013 at 10:09 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Silver - November 25, 2013 at 11:16 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 6:18 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godlesspanther - November 26, 2013 at 11:15 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 26, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 10:35 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Whateverist - December 2, 2013 at 10:38 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by tokutter - November 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 26, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Chas - November 26, 2013 at 11:58 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godlesspanther - November 25, 2013 at 10:42 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 25, 2013 at 11:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Rev. Rye - November 25, 2013 at 11:01 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by kiwimac - November 26, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 27, 2013 at 12:43 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Minimalist - November 26, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Kayenneh - November 25, 2013 at 7:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Cato - November 25, 2013 at 7:41 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 25, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Polaris - November 25, 2013 at 10:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 11:06 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Polaris - November 25, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 25, 2013 at 11:19 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Polaris - November 25, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - November 26, 2013 at 12:07 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - November 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 4:13 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - November 26, 2013 at 7:14 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 8:15 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - November 26, 2013 at 10:03 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by MitchBenn - November 26, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godlesspanther - November 26, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 26, 2013 at 1:06 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 4:27 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 6:17 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 6:18 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 6:21 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 6:23 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 6:29 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 7:21 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Ben Davis - November 26, 2013 at 10:29 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 6:52 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zen Badger - November 26, 2013 at 6:36 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 6:39 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 11:08 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 11:25 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 26, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Avodaiah - November 26, 2013 at 5:33 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by MitchBenn - November 26, 2013 at 9:58 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Minimalist - November 27, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 26, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 27, 2013 at 12:04 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Ben Davis - November 27, 2013 at 6:57 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 26, 2013 at 11:02 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 26, 2013 at 11:59 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 27, 2013 at 12:05 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 27, 2013 at 12:06 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 27, 2013 at 8:07 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - November 27, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Ben Davis - November 27, 2013 at 10:14 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 27, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Ben Davis - November 28, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 27, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 27, 2013 at 12:36 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Drich - November 27, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by WesOlsen - November 27, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 27, 2013 at 8:33 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 27, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 27, 2013 at 8:55 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 27, 2013 at 9:36 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - November 28, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 28, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 28, 2013 at 3:57 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - November 27, 2013 at 9:50 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 27, 2013 at 10:05 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - November 27, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by rexbeccarox - November 28, 2013 at 4:52 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 28, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Silver - November 28, 2013 at 2:46 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 28, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - November 29, 2013 at 1:20 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - November 29, 2013 at 1:44 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - November 29, 2013 at 1:47 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 30, 2013 at 3:28 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 1, 2013 at 9:57 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 1, 2013 at 11:28 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 1, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Ben Davis - December 2, 2013 at 7:19 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by WesOlsen - November 28, 2013 at 4:25 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - November 28, 2013 at 5:56 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 28, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 28, 2013 at 2:49 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - November 28, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - November 29, 2013 at 5:02 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 29, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - November 29, 2013 at 9:10 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - November 30, 2013 at 10:27 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 1, 2013 at 5:19 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zen Badger - December 1, 2013 at 6:05 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 1, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - December 2, 2013 at 8:32 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Raven - December 2, 2013 at 9:06 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 2, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - December 2, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 2, 2013 at 9:58 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - December 2, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 2, 2013 at 9:19 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 3, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 3, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mr Greene - December 3, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 3, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 3, 2013 at 7:34 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 3, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 4, 2013 at 7:46 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - December 4, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 3, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by WesOlsen - December 4, 2013 at 3:04 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by max-greece - December 5, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 5, 2013 at 10:56 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 5, 2013 at 11:55 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 6, 2013 at 1:01 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 6, 2013 at 10:33 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Whateverist - December 6, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 5, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Jackalope - December 6, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 6, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 6, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - December 6, 2013 at 2:24 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 6, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 6, 2013 at 6:03 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 6, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 7, 2013 at 4:18 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 7, 2013 at 6:44 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 7, 2013 at 11:38 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 6, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 6, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 6, 2013 at 1:41 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 6, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Whateverist - December 6, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 7, 2013 at 12:13 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 6, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 6, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 6, 2013 at 8:55 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 6, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 6, 2013 at 9:13 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Crossless1 - December 7, 2013 at 3:13 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 7, 2013 at 5:26 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Chas - December 7, 2013 at 9:02 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 7, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Lion IRC - December 7, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 7, 2013 at 7:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 10:03 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 7, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Zazzy - December 7, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 8, 2013 at 5:42 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 9, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 9, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 9, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 8, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 9, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 9, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 9, 2013 at 7:52 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 9, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 10, 2013 at 4:02 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 10, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 10, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 10, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 9, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 10, 2013 at 1:09 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Silver - December 10, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 10, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 10, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 11, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 11, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 11, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Esquilax - December 12, 2013 at 3:47 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Mystical - December 12, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Tonus - December 12, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 12, 2013 at 8:26 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 13, 2013 at 4:22 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Rayaan - December 11, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Chas - December 20, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Rayaan - December 10, 2013 at 3:46 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 10, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 10, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 10, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 11, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 11, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 11, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 11, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 10, 2013 at 8:05 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 11, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 11, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 11, 2013 at 8:24 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Wolf - December 12, 2013 at 3:50 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 12, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 12, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Bad Writer - December 13, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Godschild - December 13, 2013 at 9:52 pm
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by feeling - December 13, 2013 at 5:03 am
RE: The question that makes fundies hostile - by Brian37 - December 13, 2013 at 10:20 pm

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