RE: "The bible test" Answered.
December 11, 2013 at 1:35 pm
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2013 at 1:39 pm by Ksa.)
(December 11, 2013 at 1:10 pm)Drich Wrote: oh, and the worship me bit. Do you know what Jesus said God's greatest command for us is? To Love the Lord your God with all of your Heart, Mind, Spirit/Soul, and Strength.
If Jesus and the Father are one, and the Jews confirm this means Jesus is saying He is God, this means we are to Love Jesus with all of our Being as well. Meaning we are to Worship Jesus as we would the Father.
The brother is quoting a verse from John, he didn't give the quotation but I'm willing to help him, it is John, Chapter 10 verse 30.
John 10:24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
John 10:25: Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me,
John 10:26: but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.
John 10:27: My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
John 10:28: I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 10:29: My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
John 10:30: I and the Father are one.
John 10:31: Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him
John 10:32: but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
John 10:33: “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
John 10:34: Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]?
John 10:35: If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside—
The verse is there in the Bible, but what is the context? No Christian so far was able to give me the context, you can attempt brother, after I give the context you can say if it's right or wrong:
John 10:24 The Jews are alleging that Jesus speaks ambiguously, that he is afraid to reveal his true identity. That's the charge, and I will explain why it is a false charge. But the Jews didn't like Jesus much, him calling them a wicked and adulterous generation in Matthew 16:4, fools...SNAKES! They wanted to give Jesus a little bashing. So Jesus says why? "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all". God seeked for his will to be done and Jesus did the same thing so in purpose they were one "I and the Father are one."
Then in John 10:33, the Jews make another false charge, that Jesus claims to be God. The Christians agree with the Jews, the say he did make such a claim but he was entitled to it. He was entitled. But really? Let's look at what Jesus says next: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’ The Law here means the Torah. YEE ARE GODS. If God calls them Gods, the persons to whom the word of God came, then the prophets are called Gods in our language. If he was God, this was the perfect opportunity for Jesus to enlighten them on the matter!
God speaks onto Moses and says in EXODUS 7:1: "Behold, I have made you as God to Pharaoh". Was Moses God? And in the book of Psalms 82:6: "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." That's the Jewish language. When a person is called God he is not God! 2 Chorentians 4:4: "and the Devil is the God of this world" Is he God? The Devil? Is the Devil God? Of course not! It just means the Devil is in control. It's the Jewish language, remember that the Bible was translated!
Moses is God onto Pharaoh and Jews are all Gods! It's the Jewish language! Jesus doesn't understand where he actually claimed he was God and tells them, if God calls you Gods, and the scripture cannot be broken, then where's the problem? Accusing him of blaspheming because he said he was the son of God? It's nothing! God has sons by the ton in the Bible. Abraham is the son of God, Adam is the son of God, everyone bound by the spirit of God are sons of God. No problem. So why are the Jews trying to find trouble with him when he says he's the son of God? When others are called Gods?
Jesus never claimed divinity, in fact, he says in John chapter 10 verse 29 "my father is greater than all", John chapter 14 verse 28 "My father is greater than I", Luke chapter 11 verse 20 "I with the finger of God cast out devils", Matthew chapter 12 verse 28 "I cast out devils with the spirit of God", John, chapter 5 verse 30, "I by myself can do NOTHING".
Does that sound like God to you? To me it sounds like a man who believed he was God's messenger, maybe he was, maybe he was schizophrenic we don't know but Jesus never claimed divinity. Why do you worship the poor man? Might as well worship the stones also!