RE: "The bible test" Answered.
December 11, 2013 at 3:28 pm
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2013 at 3:29 pm by Ksa.)
(December 11, 2013 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote:(December 11, 2013 at 12:06 pm)Ksa Wrote: Exactly. Where is this mentioned in the Bible? I am an atheist but, I keep an open mind, so if you can produce a single unequivocal statement from the Bible where Jesus himself says "I am God" or where he says "worship me" I'm ready to embrace Christianity.
Promise?
This all comes from John 10:
30 The Father and I are one.”
31 Again the Jews there picked up stones to kill Jesus. 32 But he said to them, “The many wonderful things you have seen me do are from the Father. Which of these good things are you killing me for?”
33 They answered, “We are not killing you for any good thing you did. But you say things that insult God. You are only a man, but you say you are the same as God! That is why we are trying to kill you!”
(The Jews sure though Jesus just claimed to be God, to the point of not needing a trial or any discussion like they did when they finally put him to death.)
36 So why do you accuse me of insulting God for saying, ‘I am God’s Son’? I am the one God chose and sent into the world. 37 If I don’t do what my Father does, then don’t believe what I say. 38 But if I do what my Father does, you should believe in what I do. You might not believe in me, but you should believe in the things I do. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”
Meaning Christ and The Father are the Same/Both are God.
So you got your sunday cloths pick out yet? or will you try and back out of what you said?
" If I don’t do what my Father does, then don’t believe what I say."
Clearly states that they are "one" in purpose. And AGAIN the Christians misunderstood his sayings. What's the problem with him being the son of God delivering his message? Just like I am the son of God, you are the son of God, anyone bound by the spirit of God is the son of God.
In verse 38 he means that the Father is in him meaning that God works his will through him, and he is in the father meaning he does God's will, like it is mentioned in John 7:28-29 which says:
"Yes, you know me and you know where I am from. But I have not come by my own authority. I was sent by the One (God) who is true. You don't know him. But I know him and I am from him. He sent me."
God knew Jesus long before he was born, like it is mentioned in Jeremiah 1:5 which says:
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
So God knew Jeremiah, Jeremiah was in the mind of God, long before entering his mother's womb, just like Jesus was, just like you was, just like Hitler was etc. That's what Jesus means by I knew God and God knew me...God knew all of us!
The difference Jesus emphasizes is that he himself knew God, as he was a messenger, but so did Moses. In fact, Moses met God in person! Why don't you worship him! Jesus met God before his birth, Moses met God in person, who's greater?
