(December 11, 2013 at 11:41 pm)Ksa Wrote: So you say like the Jews, that he is God. Are you picking up stones to stone him too? lolThis is another logical fallacy (appeal to emotion.) If you read post 84 you would note your observation was rejected based on the context of john 10.
Why do you not follow Jesus Christ? If you say he's God, like the Jews did, you follow the Jews not him! In fact, you mock him, just like the Jews who apparently crucified him.
Quote:Jesus never claimed divinity, in fact, he says inNot true.
Quote:John chapter 10 verse 29 "my father is greater than all",All any of these verses say is the Father holds the seat of power in the trinity. It does not say the Son or the Spirit are not God.
John chapter 14 verse 28 "My father is greater than I",
Luke chapter 11 verse 20 "I with the finger of God cast out devils",
Matthew chapter 12 verse 28 "I cast out devils with the spirit of God",
John, chapter 5 verse 30, "I by myself can do NOTHING".
Again God is a title and not an indivisual's name. Appearently there is a pecking order with the Father at the top.
Quote:He is one with God in PURPOSE. Both want the same thing. They are united in will and wants. You quoted one verse where he ambiguously seems to say he's God, I quoted 2352352 verses where he for sure says he's NOT God.
You have intentionally obscured the meaning of John 10, Ignored context, and have on several occasions pulled verses from all over the bible in an red herring attempt to shift the focous of this conversation away from the clear cut contextual support that established Christ's claim to deity in John 10.
Now if the Verses in John 10 were indeed ambiguous then why are your efforts directed toward scripture found everywhere else in the bible but in john 10? why not exploit this supposed ambiguity contained in john 10 unless it was not there?
Any logical person can see the desperation and cherry picking (as a logical fallacy) you have displayed here to try and save face/avoid the commitment you made to goto Church. Your on your heels. The fact that you lost intrest in the 'context' of John 10, and have shifted your efforts to cherry picking bits and pieces from all over the bible to try and save face, scream this fact.
Nice try sport, but you failed. Maybe you should move one to one of the more solid athiest arguements like: No biblical support against gays or God is immoral, or evolution disproves God.. Something maybe more managable something that lots of atheists have blogged about.