Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: September 15, 2026, 6:49 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
The cosmological argument really needs to die already.
#7
RE: The cosmological argument really needs to die already.
The modus ponens form of this argument is invalid.

The argument, in any version, is guilty of the fallacy of equivocation, among others.

In premise 1. the phrase 'begins to exist' is referring to creation ex materia. In other words, the rearrangement of already existing matter and energy.

Then, in premise 2, 'began to exist' is referring to creation ex nihilo.

Same phrase, 2 meanings = Fallacy.

If you rephrase the argument using the 2 meanings, you get -

1. Everything that is a rearrangement of existing matter/energy has a cause.
2. The universe is a rearrangement of existing matter/energy.
3. Therefore the universe has a cause.

As you can see, premise 2 in this argument does not say what theists want it to say.

If we use the other meaning -

1. Everything that is created out of nothing has a cause.
2. The universe was created out of nothing.
3. The universe has a cause.

Now we see that premise 1 is suspect because we have no examples of things that were created out of nothing to examine.

There is also the fallacy of composition. Just because something is true of a part of the whole, does not mean it is true of the whole.

It is a very weak argument that seems to be convincing to theists.

EDIT: I found another rephrasing of the argument that also shows the equivocation fallacy, on Ironchariots.com -

1. Every rearrangement of pre-existing matter has a cause. (supported by every observation, ever.)

2. The universe began to exist from absolute nonexistence, NOT from a rearrangement of pre-existing matter.

3. Therefore the universe has a cause.

In other words:

1. Every X has a cause.

2. The universe Y.

3. Therefore the universe has a cause.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: The cosmological argument really needs to die already. - by Simon Moon - December 12, 2013 at 4:03 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  An Argument Against Determinism Disagreeable 32 5562 March 13, 2026 at 9:11 pm
Last Post: Disagreeable
  The Kalam Cosmological Argument Disagreeable 123 31686 December 15, 2024 at 6:11 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  The classic ontological argument Modern Atheism 20 5123 October 3, 2024 at 12:45 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  The modal ontological argument for God Disagreeable 29 7617 August 10, 2024 at 8:57 pm
Last Post: MetisX
  The Cosmological Proof LinuxGal 53 15783 September 24, 2023 at 12:24 pm
Last Post: LinuxGal
  The argument from degree LinuxGal 9 2704 January 1, 2023 at 12:14 am
Last Post: The Architect Of Fate
  Proving What We Already "Know" bennyboy 171 47870 July 30, 2022 at 1:40 am
Last Post: bennyboy
  Veridican Argument for the Existence of God The Veridican 14 5504 January 16, 2022 at 4:48 pm
Last Post: brewer
  [Serious] An Argument Against Hedonistic Moral Realism SenseMaker007 25 7806 June 19, 2019 at 7:21 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  [Serious] An Argument For Ethical Egoism SenseMaker007 29 8710 June 19, 2019 at 6:30 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)