(December 12, 2013 at 9:51 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:(December 12, 2013 at 9:34 am)Brian37 Wrote: Damn, HELLO, that is PART of his life and mainly the beginning of his struggle. Did he say "fuck whites" when he got out of prison? NO. He did the opposite and let the past go in the interest of peace.
Same bullshit people pull with Malcolm X. Yes Malcolm for a good portion of his activism was rejection and separation from his oppressors. But when you look at the end of his life he did change and came to the rightful conclusion that we are all in this together.
He couldn't because it was with the help of the whites outside of South Africa he got out of prison.
Though as I said before, he was part of a damn race war that was going on in South Africa. The whites were keen on preserving the status quo, and the blacks wanted to claim the status quo for themselves. Did they succeed? Obviously not, since whites still constitute the cream of South African society, which was the primary reason why the supporters of the armed struggle were using tactics such as bombs and etc.
As for Malcolm X, it was the same with him at first. HE was a Black Nationalist, a member of the Nation of Islam which was a Black nationalist organisation and when I read some of the speeches made by NOI members, including Malcolm X, I see that we agree on much on some things.
Later on, he went on to mainstream Islam and became what I call an Ummah sympathisant. But in his case, I do not attach a negative connection to it, as it suited him much better, gave him a different image than those of the NOI.
As for Mandela though, he did not undergo a sudden change of heart by himself. He was well aware that he was being glorifed abroad, and he could play on this image as the "human rights activist" although I personally think that he's nothing but a nationalist, which does not demean his life's work. Additionally he would look like an asshole if he did, and would probably break a many liberal's heart if he pursued a vengeful agenda because liberals are so full of love for their enemies, they turn the other cheek at lightning speed.
Besides, we're not in this together. Do you feel the same pain as I do when I hear the death of our soldiers? Do you feel the same pain as I do when I hear that our brethren have been murdered in Mosul and Kirkuk?
You probably don't even know what I'm talking about.
Neither do you care. This is because you only know as much and care as much as your media lets you know.
And you know, this is fine by me. We have always been alone, and we will be alone. With or without your support we yet live.
We are not in this together, every nation fends for itself. And so did Mandela, until he was turned into another false idol by a range of fools.
(December 12, 2013 at 9:47 am)Nineteen Wrote: This much money is interesting for a person who is a human rights defenders while people around him dying of hunger.
I dont trust him. Reminds me mercenary agents provoking the people to start the internal turmoil in the countries .
He's dead already. There is not much to tell about this. I'm pretty sure he left some of that money to the people.
Now some people might come up to me and tell me that I'm complaining and crying because Mandela and the Blacks get more attention. That is not the case(but for some reason they are getting more attention). I'm not telling this to anyone so that they start caring about the things I talked about, they are not your burden to bear as for you to care about them. You people accuse others of being sheepish, but I think that you've been goaded into worshipping false idols that were presented before you.
Again, as with BOTH Mandela and Malcolm X you keep ignoring their long term change in attitude. They were not the same men at the end of their lives as they were when they started those struggles.
And you can search the internet of pictures of OUR white politicians in America from Regan to McCain to Bush all pictured shaking hands and even hugging not so savory characters.
The totality of Mandela's life is what counts, not the the flaws all humans have.