The question that makes fundies hostile

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You can't prove that and you know it so you have to believe it and make excuses to believe it in the face of reality. That is called willful ignorance.

"Offers is best for mankind"? Like what? Child molesters? Childhood cancer? Children dying from famine? Hurricanes, tornados, tsunamis, dark ages, slavery, sexism, homophobia, holocaust, 9/11?

Sounds like a deadbeat to me if he can stop those things but refuses to.

I have no need to prove it to you, the important thing is that I believe what God has demonstrated to me. He gave the knowledge of His existence to me because I searched for it.

If you are going to say on one hand that he gave you the knowledge of his existence, then you're going to have to prove (or give your best attempt at proving) that that's what happened. It's a claim without evidence, so we can discard it without evidence.

How do you know he gave you the knowledge of his existence? What does that entail, and how does one know when he/she has it too?

Willful ignorance belongs to those who deny the truth, not to those who accept it.

No. It's not willful ignorance if you can't provide evidence of what you deem to be truth. Willful ignorance is having at hand every fact that shows the earth to be round, but the person being shown this evidence decides to continue believing it is flat.

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Let me help you out of this contradiction real quick. You say "I'm not morally superior to any one..." and then you turn around and say "I try and live to the standards God has set for His children." Based on the second quote, is it any wonder why we say that you believe you are morally superior? You try to obey a law that you attribute to your god, who you believe to be the supreme moral authority in the universe. Unlike some people, we can do math, and we understand that 1+1=2. We put the pieces together and, viola! we have a Christian trying to follow his god's ultimate laws, which gives him a sense of moral superiority. If you truly believe that you are NOT, as you mentioned, morally superior to others, then the question being begged is "Does that mean you believe there's a more moral law out there somewhere?" (Yes, that is what that means.)

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You're just plain stupid, you attribute to me moral superiority after I just explained I'm not. You make up crap to accuse others of things thy are not to what, make yourself feel superior to others, so in reality you are the smug little brat. You like reading into others what you want to see and not what in reality the person is, this is nothing more than judgmental. So in conclusion you've self promoted yourself above those you disagree with.
Following God's law does not give me a sense of moral superiority, the scriptures actually teaches against this. Jesus parable on the log in one's eye.

I see you as a fellow human being in need of a serious reality check, but thanks for falsely identifying how I'm feeling. I told you the facts that led myself and others to believe that you might have a sense of superiority to others due to whence you believe your morals originate, but if we're wrong about that, then you need to tell us why that is instead of throwing a hissy fit and running to the corner when someone calls you out on your bullshit.

Try to see it from our perspective:

You see God as the supreme moral authority. You follow these morals that you attribute to them. You see others as following inferior morals. Now, how do you explain that you are not morally superior? A Jesus parable won't cut it, because the speck and the log in people's eyes is easily recognized as a quip towards those who project their issues onto another person who is suffering from the same ill, but not quite so badly as he who is making the accusation. ...of course you're allowed your interpretation, but that interpretation still falsely accuses me of being judgmental when I am in fact simply analyzing the case at hand. If you feel angry about the way I portrayed you, you're allowed to have your feelings, but I expect you to back up your rebuttal a little better.

...there are those who would use the Bible to bring harm to others, I do not read such in scriptures, you need to blame the guilty, not God.

I do blame the guilty: the men who wrote the Bible were sly sons of bitches, and the people who follow the words of the Bible to the extreme of hate crimes and such are also bad. I don't blame your god because I don't believe in it.

I do agree with God on those things that bring harm to man kind, the practice of homosexuality, premarital sex, drug use and ect.

Your god prohibits drug use? Also, how exactly does premarital sex and homosexuality harm mankind? Still, I'm glad to hear you don't perpetuate hate crimes against these people.

You seem to be like so many others and believe I could hate or that the scriptures teach hate of people, when in reality it's the hate of their actions. If homosexuals can't help the way they feel there's no reason to hate that person, if they act upon that, I disagree with the action because I believe it's harmful and the same for other actions. People are not to be hated and I've never suggested I do, but I have been told on this site by atheist that they hate me and why, because I make a stand and want budge toward the way others want me to think.

I actually don't hate you, even if others do. I'm sorry to hear this; if you don't hate others or don't act in a way that would bring harm to the people named above, then there's no reason to hate you. I only hate your beliefs.

So if you believe god makes everyone for a purpose, then why did he make many people homosexual or give them homosexual tendencies if they're going to be hated for acting upon their feelings and desires? That seems like a real dickish thing for your god to do, if that's the case. Not the kind of guy I would like to worship. I suppose this is why we find it hard to believe that you find the Bible to be good, or even that your god is good. So why would god make homosexuals if he's just going to destroy them in the end?

I do not believe because it feels good or feels right, doing something for those reasons would be wrong. I believe because I know God is real and that what He offers is best for mankind.

What he offers is for a small group of people. (That's if he's even real and offering anything in the first place.)

No it's not, the offer is to all, the NT is very clear about this. Do you call a group of several hundred million small?

The NT is contradictory about this. First Jesus refuses to teach the gentiles, but when he dies that's when his disciples decide to go against that teaching, claiming they got the order from Zombie Christ. Whatever, fine, it's a story book, so I'll go along with that. It doesn't change the fact that the OT seemed pretty certain about who was Yahweh's chosen people. On top of that, several hundred million may be a large number, but an argument based on the size of a population is hardly something to go by, especially when they don't all agree on what version of Christ to worship or which of his teachings to follow. In addition to that little factoid, Christianity may claim to be all-inclusive, but it certainly does a great job at excluding minorities by, for instance, making its followers believe that hating gays is what god wants (based on the fact that god hates when two men lie with each other, and even if they don't, they are condemned for just thinking about it). Based on the NT, it also still believes the house of Israel to be something special as it plays a role in the Rapture, so it seems that it doesn't care of that group of people convert or not. Should I even mention the vessels of wrath that are doomed to damnation no matter what happens in this life?

Also, if your religion was so all-inclusive, why does it turn so many off from it? Your Bible does a great job as a natural deterrent.