RE: The cosmological argument really needs to die already.
December 13, 2013 at 1:38 am
(This post was last modified: December 13, 2013 at 1:50 am by Freedom of thought.)
(December 13, 2013 at 12:28 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: The argument is literally older then jesus., it was started by aristotle
EXACTLY. Also, my problem with this argument is it originated as a 'prime mover' or 'first mover', because according to common logic at the time, people know that things didn't move unless they are acted apon, due to basic physics, and that a being would have to 'move' everything into motion. Now, that concept has been misconstrued to creation ex nihilo, which is why there are so many problems when you do this kind of metaphysics.
(December 12, 2013 at 6:47 pm)feeling Wrote: William Craig really likes to put this shit over and over. It was debunked 1000 times yet he keeps on doing it. But oh well.
Gah, William Lane Craig. There is no one else that puffs his case for god up larger than it actually is. For example he claims there are good grounds for believing the historicity of the bible, and this is flat out false. The bible is a collection of Chinese whispers over many decades, with stories of stories being written down, edited, changed, rewritten, changed more, all by anonymous sources who we have no clue it was written by. Historically, a Resurrection of Jesus supported by the bible, is about as realistic as a spiderman saving the city supported by the spiderman comics. All religious people have is a book that says so, with all sorts of conflicting information, all from second, third, fourth hand accounts decades after the events from biased sources. The historical basis for the bible is a fucking joke, and anyone that believes it, does so not on evidence, but faith. And if you believe in it on faith, you have absolutely no good intellectual reason to do so, and you are automatically discarded from any serious intellectual discussion. Anyone that seeks truth will become an atheistic/agnostic, those that seek comfort blanket in a random chaotic universe will become theistic. Sure, religious people can believe what they want, but they should know that their beliefs has no basis in reality of skepticism, science, critical thinking, and intellectual discourse: And WLC doesn't do just that, he claims that his god is widely supported by science and history.
