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The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality
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RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality
(December 15, 2013 at 8:19 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: A quick survey of different cultures should demonstrate that morality and moral behavior is anything but absolute.

Few people would ever, even in their own cultures, actually argue for an 'absolute' morality. It is generally obvious that what you ought to do will vary to some extent on the situation.

Quote:Moral behavior is often defined as being equivalent with 'goodness' or proper actions. If a particular behavior is deemed to be not good or improper, it is frequently termed 'immoral'.

It strikes me that, in order for moral absolutism to be true, then a particular act would have to be moral in all circumstances or immoral in all circumstances. Furthermore, for the act under consideration to be moral, it would have to be better to perform the act than it's opposite, or to do nothing, or to perform some other acts. The converse in necessarily true for an act to be immoral.

That's mostly why few would accept moral absolutism to be true or even useful. :p

Quote:By way of example, let's look at homicide (not 'murder', which I'll get to in a moment). Homicide is clearly neither moral or immoral in absolute terms. If I kill you for money or in a fit of pique, then it is an immoral act. If I kill you to prevent you from releasing a deadly nerve toxin which will result in the deaths of thousands of people, I've clearly performed a moral action - saved the lives of thousands. If I opt NOT to kill you and let you release the toxin, I've spared your life, but at a horrific moral cost.

That only works in consequentialist moral frameworks. Under, say, a deontological moral framework, it may very well be the case that killing someone to save many more is immoral.

Quote:(For the record, 'murder' is simply an 'immoral homicide' - murder, per se, is an always immoral act by definition).

I think the above standard can be applied to any human behavior. Theft (would you steal medicine for a sick child? I would), lying, cheating at cards, and so on. Such a notion of situational or circumstantial morality may be discomfiting to some, but it is the way the world works, and is a damned sight more compassionate way to live than the despotism of absolute morality.

But again, thatis only applicable if the moral view you take on is where the consequences of the action are what matters and nothing else.

Quote:That being said, there IS a common thread of generally moral behavior that seems to be culturally common - it is generally wrong to kill people, it is generally wrong to take things which do not belong to you, and so on. But since these standards do not and never have applied to all times and all cultures, it is a fair bet to say that they are in no wise absolute or universal. Perhaps it would be more accurate to refer to 'Common Morality' or 'Standard Morality' than 'Absolute Morality'.

Outside of a simplistic religious narrative, the idea of an absolute morality becomes even more nonsensical.
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The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 15, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by Jacob(smooth) - December 15, 2013 at 8:29 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by DLJ - December 15, 2013 at 8:43 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by EgoRaptor - December 15, 2013 at 11:17 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by MindForgedManacle - December 15, 2013 at 11:41 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by Medi - December 16, 2013 at 12:45 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by Minimalist - December 16, 2013 at 12:55 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by Medi - December 16, 2013 at 12:58 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by JohnCrichton72 - December 16, 2013 at 2:11 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by JohnCrichton72 - December 16, 2013 at 1:33 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by Medi - December 16, 2013 at 1:59 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by JohnCrichton72 - December 16, 2013 at 3:15 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by Medi - December 16, 2013 at 4:04 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by gashead31 - December 20, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by max-greece - December 20, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by Medi - December 22, 2013 at 8:01 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by Godschild - December 21, 2013 at 12:54 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by Zen Badger - December 21, 2013 at 2:57 am
RE: The Case For A Non-Absolute Morality - by Jacob(smooth) - December 22, 2013 at 8:53 am

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