A good debate, that Craig (at least in my opinion) lost. I could only think, "The Emperor has no clothes..." while listening to Professor Wielenberg dissect Craig's theology, point by point.
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Debate: God & Morality: William Lane Craig vs Erik Wielenberg
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 A good debate, that Craig (at least in my opinion) lost. I could only think, "The Emperor has no clothes..." while listening to Professor Wielenberg dissect Craig's theology, point by point. 
There was a time Craig seemed unbeatable. That time has passed .
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Morality isn't a good subject for him. He has this constantly puzzled look on his face whenever he debates it, lol.
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Education: None. Skills: None. Merits: None  Religious Views: the Disc's first ligthning proof atheist (March 1, 2018 at 10:22 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: There was a time Craig seemed unbeatable. That time has passed . Yeah, the time between his birth and his first words. Craig was always a shyster with and easily refutable con game.
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Home (March 1, 2018 at 10:22 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: There was a time Craig seemed unbeatable. That time has passed . During one of his debates, Craig said, "I spend most of my time reading atheist literature." As if there is that much "atheist literature" to read! What Craig was, in fact, admitting to is that he is a professional debater, and his goal, in showing-up for debates, is to "win" them, which means obfuscating, lying, distorting, and in general, posturing his way through his debates to "win" them from the perspective of his base. However, with the rise of the Internet, Craig's shenanigans have been documented for the entire World to see: RationalWiki -- William Lane Craig RE: Debate: God & Morality: William Lane Craig vs Erik Wielenberg
March 2, 2018 at 9:45 am
(This post was last modified: March 2, 2018 at 9:46 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I recall the last debate I watched with Craig about morality - it was with Shelley Kagan..he spent the entire time completely perplexed. He didn't read a thing..and Kagans stuff is in the public domain.........totally blindsided.
In any case, the point of his debating is to puff his website to the credulous.......which sells his merch.
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 (March 2, 2018 at 9:45 am)Khemikal Wrote: I recall the last debate I watched with Craig about morality - it was with Shelley Kagan..he spent the entire time completely perplexed. He didn't read a thing..and Kagans stuff is in the public domain.........totally blindsided. Shelly Kagan was really good in that one. Actually, he's a good conversationalist in general. There was no way Craig could've embarrassed him in any way. And I think Shelly Kagan is a philosopher of ethics and morality and wrote at least one book about it, so this subject is his specialty. 
Is this a thread to discuss the points made or is this one of your "I Hate WLC with a blind hatred that borders on obsession" threads?
Just in case it is the former, what was Wielenberg's best point against WLC's argument? 
Watch the thing then get back and ask the same question.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
 RE: Debate: God & Morality: William Lane Craig vs Erik Wielenberg
March 2, 2018 at 11:38 am
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Who has seen the debate where William Lane Craig was destroyed by Shelly Kagan?
(March 1, 2018 at 10:22 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: There was a time Craig seemed unbeatable. That time has passed . I've seen him debate two other people and lose both times lol. (March 2, 2018 at 9:45 am)Khemikal Wrote: I recall the last debate I watched with Craig about morality - it was with Shelley Kagan..he spent the entire time completely perplexed. He didn't read a thing..and Kagans stuff is in the public domain.........totally blindsided. Yes that debate was golden. I've never seen someone so utterly destroyed in a debate. (March 2, 2018 at 11:25 am)SteveII Wrote: Is this a thread to discuss the points made or is this one of your "I Hate WLC with a blind hatred that borders on obsession" threads? Actually it's not about a blind hatred of him. It's about making fun of how utterly pathetic his positions are. |
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