Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: January 6, 2025, 5:41 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate?
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate?
(December 15, 2013 at 11:46 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Put yourself in the shoes of the Muslims who wrote the Qur'an.

Perhaps they were docetists all along?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05070c.htm

Quote:Docetae

(Greek Doketai.)

A heretical sect dating back to Apostolic times. Their name is derived from dokesis, "appearance" or "semblance", because they taught that Christ only "appeared" or "seemed to be a man, to have been born, to have lived and suffered. Some denied the reality of Christ's human nature altogether, some only the reality of His human body or of His birth or death.
I think the Gnostics are a more plausible source. The Docetists were quasi-orthodox accepting the NT record of Jesus' words and actions, but since he was deemed to be God, they thought he could not suffer any human weakness including the pain of the crucifixion.

The Gnostics believed that salvation for spirits imprisoned in the material world came from illumination, secret teaching which showed how to transcend the material plane, and they wrote their own gospels of Jesus' supposed hidden teachings.

The relationship between the two groups can be roughly described as all Gnostics were Docetists, but not all Docetists were Gnostics.

The Gnostics deal with Jesus' suffering and death in various ways. Some taught, like the Docetists, that Jesus was only a phantasm appearing to be human as he went through the motions of his life. Others taught that the divine logos was united with the man Jesus but abandoned him once he was nailed up. Then there was the charming theory that Jesus disappeared on the road to Golgotha and left Simon of Cyrene to be crucified in his place—Jesus thought that was just a million yuks.

Anyway, Gnosticism was prevalent in Egypt, so it's quite plausible that a few centuries later a camel jockey like Mohammed would come across some confused survivals of the traditions.

I don't know where Ksa gets this idea of Muslim scholars who really wrote the Koran. Even if they did, assiduous fact checkers were few and far between in the ancient world. As Ehrman points out, if someone told a story of Jesus' resurrection even in the time of Paul, it was virtually impossible for the auditors to travel long distances and interview the supposed eye witnesses. However, I do wonder if Ksa may be confusing the Koran with the Hadith. The Koran is traditionally ascribed to Mohammed dictating verbatim the words that an angel spoke to him; the Hadith are the supposedly authoritative recollections of Mohammed's companions about his other teaching which is not found in the Koran.
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people — House
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate? - by Ksa - December 15, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate? - by xpastor - December 16, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate? - by Ksa - December 15, 2013 at 11:51 pm
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate? - by Ksa - December 16, 2013 at 10:27 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims zwanzig 177 25534 June 9, 2021 at 11:14 am
Last Post: John 6IX Breezy
  In what way is the Resurrection the best explanation? GrandizerII 159 21689 November 25, 2019 at 6:46 am
Last Post: Abaddon_ire
  The Adam & Eve Myth - Origins Gwaithmir 125 18664 July 13, 2019 at 11:49 am
Last Post: Jehanne
  Did Jesus ever have a perm? Cod 32 5978 April 3, 2019 at 11:03 am
Last Post: Silver
  Why did the Jews lie about Jesus? Fake Messiah 65 7863 March 28, 2019 at 5:32 pm
Last Post: Aliza
  Did Jesus decompose? Natachan 77 8187 March 26, 2019 at 8:18 pm
Last Post: fredd bear
  Did Jesus call the Old Testament God the Devil, a Murderer and the Father of Lies? dude1 51 10711 November 6, 2018 at 12:46 pm
Last Post: Angrboda
  How long did Jesus spend in Hell? Gawdzilla Sama 43 8725 February 5, 2018 at 2:15 am
Last Post: Abaddon_ire
  Travis Walton versus The Resurrection. Jehanne 61 18183 November 29, 2017 at 8:21 pm
Last Post: Angrboda
  Did Jesus Christ ever tell a joke ? The Wise Joker 12 3176 January 31, 2017 at 11:37 am
Last Post: Crossless2.0



Users browsing this thread: 8 Guest(s)