"The bible test" Answered.

[WesOlsen]

Never really answer Drich why you think god chosen to suspend the laws of nature on a regular basis.

How do you know that He did?
Surly you have seen a star trek episode where a primitive race of people witnessed the technology of the federation and thought it to be God like. (the start of this last movie is a good example)
When in fact the people of the federation were not using magic to bend suspend or side step the laws of nature, they had equipment that manipulated those laws producing a miraculous effect. Miraculous to a people who did not understand the science of what they were witnessing.

now, with that in mind Why would the God of creation create everything in the known universe (including what we have deemed the 'laws of nature') just to side step suspend the Laws of nature everytime He wants something done?

Isn't it far more plausiable that He created everything with in the scope of His will and power to simply play out how He was things to happen? even if that means empowering a few with the ablity to access and use these laws to produce what would appear to be a miracle to those who do not fully understand what was going on?

If man uses Technology to manipulate the laws of nature is it magic? If God uses what ever God uses to manipulate the Laws of nature is it Magic? No, For some it is just the unknown.

Mircales are not in the unexplained execution of an act. a mircale is God doing whatever, however to accomplish whatever His end goal is. whether it be a known/explainable process or not. What makes a mircale a mircale is not how the Hand of God moves to accomplish a goal, but that it moved.

(presumably effecting others and perhaps leaving them in a disadvantaged position so that you can benefit) in your cushty first world living environment whilst he rewards others (who sought truth desperately and gave up time and money for the christian god) with cholera, famine, gang rape and ethnic cleansing?

Again why do you assume the negitive items on your list were not easier ways to find God? It is in the time of great comfort that people forget God. It is when we go through chrushing trials that God is easily found. (It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter Heaven.)

Testimony bias is a cop out mate, even though it's peddled by hundreds of thousands of individuals from rival denominations and used as 'evidence' for a personal jesus bodyguard. Defy the laws of nature with the help of your interstellar baby sitter and we'll consider taking you seriously. Throw yourself off a bridge or drink some poison, see what happens.

...And what if God does not want you to have this understanding of how He works? (That He must defy the laws of nature to work) Wouldn't having me or anyone else defy the laws of nature on demand be counter productive? To His end goal?

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So Drich, your response is to handwave mercilessly, and change the definition of A/S/K yet again so that there's no one definite success condition either?

What has this process become? "Ask, See, Knock, and something will happen. Could be anything. And if you ever stop, you weren't doing it right."

How does one test that prospect, Drich? In what way is that falsifiable?

A/S/K and you will receive a measure of the Holy Spirit. In this process you will build a relationship. The longer your involved the stronger the relationship, or if you like the puzzle analogy better the longer you work on the puzzle the more clear the puzzle picture becomes.

How is this falsifiable? How is a Puzzle falsifiable?

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Speaking of light switches, you're saying that God died, if the light of God was extinguished, who ran this Universe? The light that we see coming from the Sun, if God died, what happened to all your switches, what can you do with those? You still don't get how stupid that story is right? If God is uncreated, how can God die? Do you know the definition of death? Death is when a created being dies.

Can someone help him, maybe PM him on how analogies work. I would but i believe any of my efforts will be dismissed as an attempt to try and illegitmatly undermine his work. Maybe if it came from one of his brothers in arms...

Oh goodness. So basically, gods personal intervention is done within the framework of normal things, so basically nobody can even witness a supernatural event because that would make it obvious. So, he sends his son down, guts him and has him raise from the dead, which is perfectly normal. But when he improves your life, by doing nothing out of the ordinary and by rousing no attention, we're expected to believe that something has actually happened, whereas by your own admission nothing extraordinary has happened at all.

Again why do you assume the negitive items on your list were not easier ways to find God? It is in the time of great comfort that people forget God. It is when we go through chrushing trials that God is easily found. (It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter Heaven.)

So enduring extreme horrors can be an easy route to finding god, but god prefers to make a mediocre life good rather than make a terrible life bearable? Interesting doctrine there, not the sort of one i'd really like to follow mind you. And given that bad people can enjoy good material conditions in this life, we can simply conclude that god does not use merit to elevate people to good standing (in the here and now). Basically good people can endure misery and bad people can enjoy extreme comfort, meaning that believing in Luke 230000 or whatever, is not a necessary condition for good living conditions in this life. Meaning adherence to whatever biblical passage is completely unecessary and personal endevour or dishonesty can result in good living conditions, living conditions that are indistinguishable from the good living conditions created by god's personal touch (as in your case), a personal touch that can't be seen or measured at all, and by all rights probably isn't there.

Sounds like there's no correlation between degrees of observance and material living conditions in this world at all, and when you say that there is, they can't be differentiated from good living conditions that arose from methods other than religious observance. Almost as if...............it's complete horse shit?