RE: Why would God?
December 27, 2013 at 10:45 pm
(This post was last modified: December 27, 2013 at 11:07 pm by Godscreated.)
(December 26, 2013 at 9:09 am)Esquilax Wrote:(December 25, 2013 at 11:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: You are making a statement you can not prove period, it's funny how atheist play with words to suit their needs. Because I have knowledge of God doesn't mean I have to bring demonstrable evidence to you. Sorry bub but you have failed here.
GC
By definition, knowledge is demonstrable; you can only know something that is objectively real by having an experience with it,
I've experienced God, many times, of coarse you want ever believe so.
Esquilax Wrote:and if you've done that you can lead others to have the same experience by replicating the steps you took. Hence, all knowledge is demonstrable.
So, you're saying you will go to church with me and follow the instructions through scripture and my personal experiences to see the demonstrable evidence. Good I expect to see you in my church in a couple of weeks, will get started after the New year so you can have your last fling. This will be great can't wait to get started, please bring your Bible, it's you instruction and study book, homework is required, sorry that's part of the experience.
Esquilax Wrote:Your one objection here is merely the pissy "I don't have to demonstrate anything to you!" Which is true, but also does nothing for your credibility but lower it, and again, does not lift your claim from a belief one to a knowledge one until you do demonstrate and justify it.
Actually if I knew you were going to seek out the proof I have I would not have said that, I'm getting excited about this demonstration, how about you.
Esquilax Wrote:You're just talking out your ass now, claiming knowledge where you can't or won't show it, and so to everyone else here, it's merely a belief. Like I said from the beginning.
Oh I'm going to show you so everyone else can see, we're going to have so much fun. Sunday School, Sunday morning Worship Service, Sunday night Worship Service, Wednesday mid-week Services and visitation every Thursday evening. Bible study every night and then prayer for an hour or so, then we can log-on to Atheist Forums.org and debate the unbelievers, yep, so much fun.
GC
(December 26, 2013 at 10:33 am)StoryBook Wrote:(December 25, 2013 at 11:11 pm)Godschild Wrote:
I thought we were all born with sin and all sin are equal.
No one is born with sin, we are all born with the nature to sin and we all have sinned. No, all sin are not equal, the more one sins and the greater sin one commits will result in one punishing themselves more than others will, all punishment is not equal.
Storybook Wrote:Doesn't that mean god gave us sin? Doesn't that mean the little sins(I'm sure you have done) are the same as big sins and no matter what you are still sin, so going to hell?
Yeah I agree you are confused, like I said before sin is your choice, God doe not tempt people into sin. I've sinned my share and enough for others also, But I'm forgiven by the grace of God through my faith in Christ's atonement for me. Like I said above there are different levels of sins but, it only takes the smallest one to be committed and go unforgiven to cause one to suffer the eternal hell, which by the way is a dark place, not a firey one.
Storybook Wrote:Ok, don't be afraid of your "loving" god that will take away your "free will" to live,and send you to the the magic heaven with the free will-less angels. The unhappy slave angels that are there should make nice company
First thing you need to prove the angels are unhappy and are slaves. God will never take my free will from me, if I chose to I could reject Him at anytime.
Storybook Wrote:I think I will take my chances with the going to hell. Sounds a lot better(is less crowded since Satan kill less people in the bible),I think the burning is just a scare tactic of god's to make people want to be his slave.
Doesn't work by chance, you will either spend eternity with God or in hell, hell will be plenty crowded, yet you will never see another person, you will hear there anguish in suffering though. God uses the description of fire and brimstone to describe hell because man could not understand what a terrible place hell would be like otherwise.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.