(December 27, 2013 at 3:29 pm)agapelove Wrote: Well, the scripture says Jesus is the lamb slain *before* the foundation of the world. Which means that God already knew what would happen before He created anything, so He prepared a Savior beforehand. We see in Genesis 3 that God gave the prophecy of the one coming from the line of Adam who would crush the head of the serpent. As far as God was concerned, the future is set in stone, so there was no risk per say. That isn't to say that Jesus wasn't tempted, but that God knew that Jesus would overcome every single temptation.This means that god either intended for things to go this badly, or knew they would and did not alter events beforehand. Thus he is responsible for all of the suffering that has happened and that will happen. That doesn't work for me with the concept of a perfect and just being, or any of the other positive descriptors of the Christian god.
If god designed this universe to proceed in exactly this manner he did so deliberately, otherwise he was not acting of his own accord and is beholden to other forces. That confirms what I said before, that the game was rigged from the start. God did not take a human body to redeem mankind, he did so to rub our noses in our imperfection and low condition. If things are proceeding as he intended, then he is mocking us for being exactly as he made us. Otherwise he's mocking us for not winning the "god lottery."
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould