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Atheist 'church'?
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RE: Atheist 'church'?
(December 31, 2013 at 9:02 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Oxford English dictionary:
Quote:noun
a building used for public Christian worship:

Highlighted the words Christian and worship.

The Oxford English Dictionary also gives the following as a definition of the word church:

OED Wrote:2. Applied to public places of worship of any religion: as †a. (formerly) to heathen temples, Muslim mosques.
†b. also to the Jewish temple. Obs.
c. In U.S., of late applied to places of meeting and religious exercise of various societies called ‘churches’.

~ OED on CD-ROM

Are you trying to pull a fast one on us? In addition to that, the notes on etymology in the OED make clear that the derivation of the word through its Germanic cognates may not refer to a Christian place of worship, as the related cognates in the New Testament refer to the body of worshippers, not the physical place of worship. I suspect you got your definition from the online edition of the Oxford Dictionary, which is unrelated to the Oxford English Dictionary and is an inferior reference work to the OED. Regardless, you are engaging in a genetic fallacy in presuming that the way a word has been used historically determines how it is used today. If there are non-Christian communities that use the word 'church' to refer to the place they gather, then usage, not history, dictates that the definition now includes places where non-Christians congregate in imitation of the religious institution. To say otherwise is both bad scholarship (appealing to one documented usage while ignoring another equally valid usage) and fallacious reasoning (arguing that a historical condition that no longer holds dictates current conditions).


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Atheist 'church'? - by Napoléon - December 22, 2013 at 8:56 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by StoryBook - December 22, 2013 at 9:11 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Kayenneh - December 22, 2013 at 9:38 am
Re: Atheist 'church'? - by NoraBrimstone - December 22, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by là bạn điên - December 22, 2013 at 11:50 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 22, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 22, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Angrboda - December 22, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Napoléon - December 22, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Angrboda - December 22, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by là bạn điên - December 23, 2013 at 5:46 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Angrboda - December 23, 2013 at 6:17 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by là bạn điên - December 23, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Napoléon - December 23, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Whateverist - December 29, 2013 at 2:36 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Raeven - December 22, 2013 at 1:53 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Angrboda - December 22, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Raeven - December 22, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Angrboda - December 22, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Raeven - December 22, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Angrboda - December 22, 2013 at 4:09 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Belac Enrobso - December 31, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Whateverist - December 22, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 22, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by The Valkyrie - December 22, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Logisch - December 22, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Cinjin - December 22, 2013 at 8:42 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by EgoRaptor - December 23, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Crulax - December 23, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Faith No More - December 23, 2013 at 10:07 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Crulax - December 23, 2013 at 10:42 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Richi1 - December 27, 2013 at 7:32 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Violet - December 28, 2013 at 3:43 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Napoléon - December 28, 2013 at 7:55 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Violet - December 28, 2013 at 4:52 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Napoléon - December 29, 2013 at 8:15 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Whateverist - December 29, 2013 at 10:47 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Napoléon - December 30, 2013 at 6:50 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Raeven - December 28, 2013 at 10:27 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Violet - December 28, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Napoléon - December 28, 2013 at 7:57 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Violet - December 31, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Napoléon - December 31, 2013 at 9:02 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Angrboda - January 1, 2014 at 1:27 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Napoléon - January 1, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Whateverist - January 1, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Cinjin - December 28, 2013 at 11:44 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Tonus - December 28, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Napoléon - December 28, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by NoraBrimstone - December 28, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by rexbeccarox - December 28, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by BrokenQuill92 - December 28, 2013 at 4:58 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by The_Thinking_Theist - December 29, 2013 at 12:21 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by là bạn điên - December 29, 2013 at 1:46 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by bennyboy - December 30, 2013 at 7:55 am
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Napoléon - December 30, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Whateverist - December 30, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Napoléon - December 30, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Belac Enrobso - December 31, 2013 at 5:54 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Violet - December 31, 2013 at 5:59 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Belac Enrobso - December 31, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Violet - December 31, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by houseofcantor - December 31, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Atheist 'church'? - by Violet - January 1, 2014 at 6:34 pm

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