Godschild Wrote:@ StoryBook, I see you gave a kudos to a young kid who has no idea what being a Christian is all about, a kid who cares not to find truth, he's only interested in ridiculing Christians. If this is all you care about then why were we even having a conversation, by you not responding to my last post and letting someone else speak for you I take it your purpose is no different than his.
SB Wrote:Sorry to hurt your feelings,I just didn't have enough time to reply. I was just looking at the new post real quick...
You didn't hurt my feelings, I've lived to many years to let the little things bother me. I was disappointed because I thought you might have bailed on our conversation. So I'm sorry I jumped to that conclusion.
(December 31, 2013 at 7:04 am)Godschild Wrote:
SB Wrote:How did he reveal himself to you?(and saying from the book does not count). You see when I was really little I pretended god would talk to me, but nothing I "prayed" for happened. Then I grew out of the imaginary friend stage. All my 22 years of life god never revealed himself to me.
GC Wrote:Wait a minute here, you're saying I can't use part of how God communicates with people, you really believe that's fair? What if I said you had to prove nuclear fusion to me but you could not use any text, kind of unfair wouldn't you say. God's conviction was through His word, through reading the scriptures God started working with me. I found myself seeing that I was in need of forgiveness of my sin and eventually committed myself to Jesus. This started my road to a relationship with God, as I grew in the relationship God continually showed me who He is, this came through experiencing the things God promises and through answered prayer and ect.
Pretending God talked to you is not being realistic and of coarse that's not unusual little kids and because of this your prayers were not sincere, so no answers. What were you praying for. Your first prayers should be asking God to reveal Himself to you and help you to see through His eyes. You think that just maybe you haven't been trying to hear God, and have you been asking God to reveal Himself to you, are you or have you ever seriously wanted to know God.
SB Wrote:You can't use the book as an excuse for proof. That book is mistranslated. It all also been "revised" and their are many different versions of that one book. Then people changed it/misinterpret it to make it fit their views. Its used to scare people and make them think that someone is in control or their lives. It was written long before people figured out science, how the weather works, and that we are made of cells. There are lots of other gods and goddesses, and they where made because people had no other idea on why the weather change.
I use the Bible to find the truth, much proof lies within the scriptures and then they also lead to truths that are in everyday life. I never use the Bible as an excuse for anything, it is what it is, God's revelation to man of His will for those who choose to accept it. It's not meant to scare anyone, those who use it that way are not being honest about God and His love for man.
Now I'm going to ask you to prove to me your statements that the Bible has been mistranslated and revised. There is only one version of the Bible, it has been translated into more modern English so it's easier to understand than the Old English no one speaks now. We've also learned more about the ancient languages over the years so we are better able to translate the Bible and gather the meanings from it God intended. We also find older manuscripts that give us insight into the ancient writings. These are some reasons you see the Bible updated from time to time. The Book of Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, it is the oldest copy ever found, it is virtually word for word the same as later copies and up to the modern translation of today's Bible. People are not trying to translate the Bible into what they want people so see, you've been feed a bunch of bull about mistranslated scripture, there are to many eyes on the old manuscripts to misrepresent them.
It's strange you would use the science of weather to say the Bible is not accurate about the cause of weather. Did you know that the Bible taught the evaporation of the oceans as what cause most of the rain on earth, probably a thousand years before science was able to prove that was the case. The Bible is also considered by many Christian and non- Christians as one of the most accurate time lines for history. Di you know that the Egyptians math system improved greatly after Abraham lived there, curious wouldn't you say.
SB Wrote:oh and yes when I was little I tried to speak to god and wanted to meet him. In the end he just turned out to be my imagination..
Well are you absolutely sure He didn't reach out to you, and maybe He didn't because you were not ready, how do you know He hasn't kept you safe all these years to now reach out to you through this forum, stranger things have happened by far.
GC Wrote:The age is different for each some understand before others, as for the mentally handicapped that would be determined by severity and their ability to understand.
You really believe you're more forgiving, would you allow you son to die a death no on should have to suffer, would you allow him to give up all the advantages he had to be able to live a life he was completely a stranger to, a life of destitution and hardship, a life where most only wanted the physical things he could give them and not care about the forgiveness he was offering. Could you forgive these people for their treatment of your son, and that's just for starters.
SB Wrote:Well all mighty god let it happen. No, I would not forgive them, but I also would not let spend eternity in pain of hell. You see your comparing me to one story, but my point is why would god let just innocent people suffer, and feel lots of pain. Just because there are a few "evil" people from 2000 years ago. Seems like we are already in eternal hell.
Yes, this world can seem like hell at times, why, again the reason is sin. God has allowed mankind to suffer through this world's bad things because we are responsible for the world's condition, not God. Sins of the past, sins now and sins of the future are all committed by mankind and is why we have this world full of terrible things. So why shouldn't we have to live with what we've made.
GC Wrote:
SB Wrote:Not to be rude but "Our sin"(I know you mean man kind)? He allows an innocent child/or person to suffer because of "our sin". That's rather sad.I don't see anything perfect about it.
GC Wrote:There is nothing perfect about life and God says because of the sin in the world that's the way it will be to the end of time, sin brought in the imperfection and until time runs it's course it will be with us. God has no choice but to let things happen, we have caused this not God, He however is going to make everything right.
Let's look at a suffering child, one who gave up His royalty to live as a suffering servant, who willingly died a death no one should suffer let lone One who was perfect in all ways. Why did He do this so, that one day in the future no one would have to suffer ever again and this comes through the acceptance of what He did for us.
GC
SB Wrote:Nothing perfect on gods perfect world he created. ok
So hes going to make everything right? How so?
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Now hold up, so god has the child suffering to show us that he is powerful and we are still full of sin? So This child that does not understand god, now has given up its free will and is enduring pain to prove a point to us?
Wow that is very disturbing of god.
Everything was perfect until Adam and Eve sinned after that so to speak, the world became man's creation or in this case a wreck.
You ask how God's going to make things right, well He already has, through Jesus Christ things are made right, we become part of the kingdom of God at least those who accept Him. Does that change thing here, no we still have the same old world to live in, but now we have God's help to get through the day. In the end there will be eternal life in paradise for those of us who have chosen Christ over the world.
God doesn't have a child to suffer, the suffering comes because life happens, God will be there to help us through the bad parts of life and there to keep us on a even keel when things are going exceptionally well for us. God is our friend and helper, that is if one accepts Him in a relationship as such.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
