RE: Why would God?
January 6, 2014 at 4:55 am
(This post was last modified: January 6, 2014 at 4:59 am by Godscreated.)
(January 4, 2014 at 9:50 pm)StoryBook Wrote: [quote='Godschild' pid='576174' dateline='1388840453']
GC Wrote:I do not know of any forcing to live a certain way, I do know and understand the transformation that takes place as we grow in a relationship with Christ. A Christian life is like any other life, you live it, there is no burden to it as you seem to believe. No one can live a life care free with no rules, life lived comes with some type of rules whether you're a Christian, atheist or whatever.
A Christian doesn't have to avoid anything, a Christian wants to avoid those things that are sinful, we are not perfect, we do sin and we understand we need forgiveness.
You have a great misunderstanding about hell other than you know it's a scary place. Actually it's a place of self made horror, a place where a person can find no love, it's a place where love can not exist, ever. Hate, despite, mean spirited, any and every kind of ugliness that's ever existed. A person will believe in God before they are in hell, they will be before Him in the Judgement. I do not believe God can hate even those who will spend eternity in hell, I see no reason that He would.
If one kills in the name of God that doesn't mean they will be in hell, it's murder, invoking the name of God doesn't change the fact it's murder, and the person who perishes could be a Christian and go to heaven. I still do not see that you've shown that Christianity is threatening.
SB Wrote:So it is ok to kill in the name of god?
So you are really not afraid of going to hell? The treat of hell is not scary to you?
Didn't you read what I posted, it's murder, so to put it simply, no it's not okay. You are confusing what one does with forgiveness, a person who murders someone can still receive forgiveness through Christ and repent of the sin. It seems you're confused by some of the terms used in Christianity and by how one is forgiven.
No, I am not why should I be, I have Christ in my life, He is my redeemer the cleanser of my soul. He defeated hell and death, so there is no reason to be afraid. Only those who do not have Christ in their lives need be frightened of hell.
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GC Wrote:You're right, however that mistake in translation doesn't mean Mary wasn't a virgin, it does mean she was of the age to be married and this was the point the original translation was trying to make. A virgin could been of any age, young to old.
SB Wrote:So where did the "magic" birth come from?
Why the facepalm? Mary was a virgin but, there was no magic preformed, God doesn't do magic and to use that term shows a lack of understanding about a being capable of creating a universe. God can manipulate His creation to suit His will and He has many times.
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GC Wrote:I do not think I misunderstood, the point I made was that today's culture didn't exist, so why should we expect the writings to be any different than they are. You do not expect the writings of other ancient literature to be any different than they are so why do you want a different standard for the Bible.
You're forgetting the book of Genesis where all people knew about God and then abandoned what they knew for gods that were only stone or wood, yes they abandoned the one living God. So God established a people to reveal Himself to the world once again, this is the purpose of the nation of Israel and they were, are and will be God's special people because of what they went through because of Him. God gave His Son as a sacrifice for mankind, He didn't forget anyone and as for those who have not or did not hear about Christ they will be judged by God fairly in what they did know about right living.
SB Wrote:Sorry your talking circles and missing logic.
Now why are you banging your head, you'll get a head ache doing that. I'm the one who has the understanding of scriptures, you said you were asking questions to learn, seems you would rather avoid leaning by acts such as,,
GC Wrote:"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son and whoever believes in Him (what He did and is) shall not perish but have everlasting life." Please show me how that verse could be in the slightest threatening.
It's good to see that there are some here that are willing to listen and learn. Thanks for being honest.
SB Wrote:If you don't believe you will parish. THAT IS A THREAT
Really, how so, I've not threatened you in any way. You need to prove what you're saying here, I do not care for your tone nor the shouting. If you are going to turn this discussion into a shout and get angry thing we should just end it.
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SB Wrote:Making sinful humans is not a mistake?
A happy, un-threatening one, that is bored?
GC Wrote:Not sure what you find funny. God made them perfect and with free will. They used that free will to defy God's commandment and caused their perfect state to be lost, and the relationship they had with God was lost. They understood what they had done, that's why they were hiding from God. Ever since that time God put His plan into place to redeem man so we could live in that perfect state with God.
SB Wrote:I guess they are NOT perfect if they sin...
Everything was perfect until they sinned, it was their choice to give up their perfection, not God's.
GC Wrote:I live in pain every minute of every day, so yes I understand pain, I also understand the mental pain of having sick loved ones, my dad is gone and my mom is not well and I worry every day about her. We just buried my wife's father who had been very sick for several years and I just lost an aunt yesterday who had been sick with a bad heart for some time. Yes I understand pain, well, both physically and mentally.
What I see is life and how things can turn out, I've been around for some time and have seen and lived through much, experience has a lot going for it when it comes to truth.
GC
SB Wrote:I am sorry to hear all that. I can understand know why YOU have have turned to god. You want answers and hope, which is only human. I guess god is the only thing keeping you from going more insane.
I appreciate your concern. Actually I was a Christian before all I explained happened, it was God who brought me through and still walks me through each day, and I'm grateful to Him for doing so. For who am I compared, no who are any of us compared to God the creator of the universe.
SB Wrote:You see I look at the world in a whole different "logic" then you. I SEE the world, without god, and can still find some comfort in it. I study animal behavior and have learned much about life through how they live. They do not worship a god, they live and die and just accept it. They seem to have more free will then we do. I try to find good in life and don't need some god or mistranslated old book to tell me what is right or wrong...
I understand you live by logic and it leaves no room for the Spiritual. I study animals myself, I raise and train Rottweilers and seen them do some really smart things. That would be smart for dogs, they are still far below humans and how our brains work. If you have ever trained a dog you would see that it is submissive to the one teaching it, it wants to please it's master. Being submissive doesn't mean they are some lowly thing to be looked down on, by no means, I have great respect for my dogs and their willingness to do things to please me, it's part of their nature and they are being true to that nature.
This is no different for humans, God created us less than He is, just like the dog is less than a human being. God has put it in man to be submissive, it's us who believe that submissiveness is a bad thing, when in reality it is part of a proper order. God wants and will teach us how to live a life that is pleasing to Him and we should be willing to submit and do so, He's the Master of the universe. You know who the greatest people are, those who have made it to the top. Do you know why they have made it to the top, because nothing is below them, they will do the most menial things to succeed. They see nothing that's to low for them to do to succeed, being a humble person has a lot going for it. This is what Christ meant when He told His disciples that "the least will be first and that the first will be last", He was saying live humbly and I will make you greater than those who believe they are great. Many non-believers here think that God was telling a wife she is lower than her husband because He says the wife is to be submissive to her husband. This couldn't be farther from the truth. God gave an order to the family and the man was given the position as head of the family and the wife was to submit to him, doesn't mean she is less than the husband, just like Christ is the head of the church and all Christians are to be submissive to Him. Christ said He was the groom(husband) and the church was the bride (Christians). So you see we can see God in the things He created if we'll just open our eyes to the truth.
GC
(January 6, 2014 at 4:41 am)Esquilax Wrote: [quote='Godschild' pid='577345' dateline='1388992464']
No one lives a sinless life, anyone who does not do the will of God sins, it's God's will that all accept Christ as their savior. Salvation is meant for all, so as long as anyone accepts Christ as their savior no matter how badly or how goodly they live, they will have a place in heaven.
GC
Equilax Wrote:So in your opinion the multiple murderer and the guy in court for a traffic violation should be given the same punishment?
They are not given the same punishment here or in eternity, you have a very misplaced sense of justice if you believe what you stated.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
