Why would God?

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Actually GC I do not think God can foresee, with absolute certainty, that Adam would sin. The future does not exist and thus no one, not even God can have knowledge of what does not exist. The whole point of free will is that it is free of external constrains. Adam's choice could not be fated. It was a possibility not yet actualized.

Then are the prophecies God guessing about future events.

GC

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You're being dishonest in your attempt to run down scriptures.

No, I'm not being dishonest, if I am you are too. I am making my own conclusion base on what I read and not what you want me to think.
You said god made to understand yet we still are reading it differently.

Yet you call me closed minded because I see evolution differently than you do. I base my conclusion on evolution by what I read, not what you want me to believe.

why I do not know unless you are afraid they might get you to start thinking.

I AM thinking, that is why I have so many questions and thoughts.

No you're rejecting every thing I've shown you, this is why you have so many questions, just to be honest I'm not clear on why you're asking are you?

I've looked at both sides, I study with an open mind and will ask God why do certain things in scripture seem to be contradictory or out of character, I continue to study until I receive the answers.

Your only asking god, and others in the same religion? How is that not one sided?
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Do you ask questions of scientist who disagree with evolution, do you ever question the theory of evolution or do you just accept what you're told, and you question me about being one sided.

you believe I'm closed minded because you're right and I'm wrong, I see that as closed minded. You also believe I'm closed minded because I stick with what I believe, why should I abandon what I know is right, especially since you have not given any solid proof I'm wrong.

I'm Agnostic, so I am looking at both sides to try and find an answer that makes since.

Then please explain how you are honestly looking at both sides, when you reject every thing shown to you about God. How can you find the answers going the rejection route.

Please re read what you said. It confuses me to think YOU are right and I'M wrong...

Reread what?

I didn't say you were dumb, I said you seem not to have anything of intellectual use to give. I understand your thinking, you need to see actual proof before you will believe in anything. I see the world through my observations also, the difference is I've learned to observe through God's eyes and why not, He is the Creator after all.

Your god? You can't see the world if you have blinders on

Blinders, how so, like I said I look at things through God's eyes.

Don't you think I feel the same way, I know for a fact God is real, and that He is who He says He is, but so many want listen, they would rather make fun of what I know. I'll say to you what I've said to many here and it's an undeniable truth, death will bring the truth to everyone or no one. Those are the only two options, it's all or nothing.

I'm saying I do know for sure, no doubts, absolutely sure. There are no other gods, if there were why haven't they come to me wanting me as their child. Everyone can come to know God now, that's one of the purposes of Christ. In the past most cultures abandoned God and chased after stone and wooden idols as their gods, even the Israelites. God chose to make them His people through Abraham to bring a knowledge of Him to the world again, God worked through history to reveal Himself in Christ.

Now I am intrigued, how has god shown you his existence? Can you give a few examples, please?

By the relationship I have with Him, He has shown me many things over the years, like I said before answers to questions about His word that wasn't making sense to me. He completely changed my life, from a person who cared only for himself, a heavy drinker who enjoyed drinking, a user of drugs who enjoyed using them, into someone who enjoys helping others, giving of my time to serve others through teaching and leadership, I could have never done these things on my own, I use to get scared talking in front of a lot of people, now I'm completely comfortable with it. God promised to supply for me and He has, He's brought people to me to help with problems or just be a comfort to. God has made things in my life possible that I could never have on my own. I've asked very specific answers from God and have received answers in the most untimely places.

See my grandparents are Christian/Catholic. I have been to church, but have not been shown of gods existence.

I know how the Catholic Church can be, my wife use to be Catholic. Being Catholic seems to be more important than actually being a Christian. Ritual seems to be what drives most Catholics, please don't misunderstand I believe many Catholics are Christians, what I do not believe, is that for the most part the Catholic hierarchy cares about the salvation Christ brought to the world, the ritual part of the religion is more important to them, they go against some of the most basic teachings of the Bible, the Bible is our instruction book and shouldn't be ignored.

GC

Ok, excuse me if I sound rude. I don’t mean to be, just trying to make things straight.

1. You say god, knows all and made it so everyone could understand his word. I find it very hard to understand that. How come no one can agree on the same thing? Why are their different ideas on what god ment?
I’m not trying to say you are wrong, just that you are not adding up…

2. I’m not calling you closed minded because you evolution different. I’ calling you closed minded because you claim to see through gods eyes, like god. Yet you are only seeing what you think he wants you to see, that’s closed minded. You are automatically assuming that because it is not in your book that there is not possibility of it, which is closed minded.

3. I do question things in evolution, BUT I do see truth in it. I do believe we have evolved from single cells, just look at pregnancy. See you have conditioned yourself to not question god but who created god? How did he become to be? There will always be questions to our excitants, not even you can delude yourself to know the reason to life or how it really came to be.

4. So science makes a little more sense to me than a 2000+ year old book that was writer centuries after you supposed creation. Science keeps discovering and researching new things, but you book stays with its misinterpreted stories. I can see things in science, but have yet to see a man walk on water.

5. I’m not rejecting as you say, I’m questing. What you say brings more questions to my head. Sorry if you make you think…

6. Honestly, drinking and drugs are pretty generic things. Many people stop without go. Can you elaborate more on how god helped you overcome that? How did he send people to help you?

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I know how the Catholic Church can be, my wife use to be Catholic. Being Catholic seems to be more important than actually being a Christian. Ritual seems to be what drives most Catholics, please don't misunderstand I believe many Catholics are Christians, what I do not believe, is that for the most part the Catholic hierarchy cares about the salvation Christ brought to the world, the ritual part of the religion is more important to them, they go against some of the most basic teachings of the Bible, the Bible is our instruction book and shouldn't be ignored.
GC

So you think that your way of understanding the bible is the only right way? I’m confused as to how you know that they are doing “wrong”? Does that mean they will go to hell?

you believe I'm closed minded because you're right and I'm wrong, I see that as closed minded. You also believe I'm closed minded because I stick with what I believe, why should I abandon what I know is right, especially since you have not given any solid proof I'm wrong.

Please re read what you said. It confuses me to think YOU are right and I'M wrong...

Reread what?

the bolded…


8. I find it sad and scary to worship someone that tells people to murder, promotes rape, promotes slavery, and deceives. He also gives threatening ultimatums. This is what I have learned and observed/ figured out