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reasons to believe, there is no God
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RE: reasons to believe, there is no God
(February 27, 2010 at 7:19 pm)LEDO Wrote: What we call "the universe" with its various properties came into being at the point of the "big bang" or expansion. However it is incorrect to assume nothing existed before that. It was a point of singularity which existed. The entropy for that point was infinity for an item that size. Time did not exist prior to the Big Bang as there was no way to measure it. Also there is no frame of reference in quantum physics for anythig outside of that point, i.e. there is no place that "God" could exist.

Back in the late '60s and early '70s, when men first walked upon the moon, "three British astrophysicists, Steven Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose turned their attention to the Theory of Relativity and its implications regarding our notions of time. In 1968 and 1970, they published papers in which they extended Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to include measurements of time and space.1, 2 According to their calculations, time and space had a finite beginning that corresponded to the origin of matter and energy."3 The singularity didn't appear in space; rather, space began inside of the singularity. Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing.


"The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago." Stephen Hawking The Beginning of Time
"Scientists generally agree that "the Big Bang" birthed the universe about 15 billion years ago." Tom Parisi, Northern Illinois University
"As a result of the Big Bang (the tremendous explosion which marked the beginning of our Universe), the universe is expanding and most of the galaxies within it are moving away from each other." CalTech
"The Big Bang model of the universe's birth is the most widely accepted model that has ever been conceived for the scientific origin of everything." Stuart Robbins, Case Western Reserve University
"Many once believed that the universe had no beginning or end and was truly infinite. Through the inception of the Big Bang theory, however, no longer could the universe be considered infinite. The universe was forced to take on the properties of a finite phenomenon, possessing a history and a beginning." Chris LaRocco and Blair Rothstein, University of Michigan
"The scientific evidence is now overwhelming that the Universe began with a "Big Bang" ~15 billion (15,000,000,000 or 15E9) years ago." "The Big Bang theory is the most widely accepted theory of the creation of the Universe." Dr. van der Pluijm, University of Michigan
"The present location and velocities of galaxies are a result of a primordial blast known as the BIG BANG. It marked: THE BEGINNING OF THE UNIVERSE! THE BEGINNING OF TIME!" Terry Herter, Cornell University
"That radiation is residual heat from the Big Bang, the event that sparked the beginning of the universe some 13 billion years ago." Craig Hogan, University of Washington
"Most scientists agree that the universe began some 12 to 20 billion years ago in what has come to be known as the Big Bang (a term coined by the English astrophysicist Fred Hoyle in 1950." University of Illinois
"The universe cannot be infinitely large or infinitely old (it evolves in time)." Nilakshi Veerabathina, Georgia State University ()
"The universe had a beginning. There was once nothing and now there is something." Janna Levin, Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics at Cambridge University
"Today scientists generally believe the universe was created in a violent explosion called the Big Bang." Susan Terebey, Department of Physics and Astronomy, California State University Los Angeles
"Evidence suggests that our universe began as an incredibly hot and dense region referred to as a singularity." Stephen T. Abedon, Ohio State University
"A large body of astrophysical observations now clearly points to a beginning for our universe about 15 billion years ago in a cataclysmic outpouring of elementary particles. There is, in fact, no evidence that any of the particles of matter with which we are now familiar existed before this great event." Louis J. Clavelli, Ph.D., Professor of Physics, University of Alabama
"Now, after decades of observing and thinking, we have come to answer confidently the question of the origin of our universe... with what is known as the "big bang"." Yuki D. Takahashi, Caltech
"The theory is the conceptual and the calculational tool used by particle physicists to describe the structure of the hadrons and the beginning of the universe." Keh-Fei Liu, University of Kentucky.
"The three-part lecture series includes: "How the Universe Began," "The Dark Side of the Universe: Dark Matter and Dark Energy" and "Cosmic Inflation: The Dynamite Behind the Big Bang?" (Lectures by Michael S. Turner, Bruce V. and Diana M. Rauner at Penn State University)
"Travel back in time to the beginning of the Universe: The Big Bang" Douglas Miller, University of Arizona
"Beginning of the Universe 20.0 billion yr ago" Charly Mallery, University of Miami
"At the beginning the universe was extremely hot and dense (more about this later) and as it expanded it cooled." Syracuse University
"THE UNIVERSE AND ALL OF SPACE ARE EXPANDING FROM A BIG BANG BEGINNING" Center for Cosmological Physics, University of Chicago
"Gamow realized that at a point a few minutes after its beginning, the universe would behave as a giant nuclear reactor." Valparaiso University, Department of Physics and Astronomy
"I'll also include what the time is since the creation of the Universe, and an estimate of the temperature of the Universe at each point." Siobahn M. Morgan, University of Northern Iowa.
"The Universe is thought to have formed between 6-20 billion years ago (Ga) as a result of the "Big Bang" Kevin P. Hefferan, University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point
"The dominant idea of Cosmology is that the Universe had a beginning." Adam Frank, University of Rochester Department of Physics & Astronomy
"The hot dense phase is generally regarded as the beginning of the universe, and the time since the beginning is, by definition, the age of the universe." Harrison B. Prosper, Florida State University
"One of the major hypotheses on which modern cosmology is based is that the Universe originated in an explosion called the Big Bang, in which all energy (and matter) that exists today was created." Eric S. Rowland, UC Santa Cruz
"Together with Roger Penrose, I developed a new set of mathematical techniques, for dealing with this and similar problems. We showed that if General Relativity was correct, any reasonable model of the universe must start with a singularity. This would mean that science could predict that the universe must have had a beginning, but that it could not predict how the universe should begin: for that one would have to appeal to God." Stephen W. Hawking "Origin of the Universe" lecture

And how do you explain the amazingly finely tuned universe to life ?
(February 27, 2010 at 7:20 pm)Darwinian Wrote: What this site is doing is to start with a theory and then try an prove it true.

No, my forum does not try to PROVE anything.
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reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - February 27, 2010 at 3:42 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by fr0d0 - February 27, 2010 at 3:45 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - February 27, 2010 at 3:46 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by fr0d0 - February 27, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Darwinian - February 27, 2010 at 3:55 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 27, 2010 at 4:19 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Xyster - February 27, 2010 at 4:29 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - February 27, 2010 at 6:58 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tiberius - February 27, 2010 at 8:02 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - February 27, 2010 at 6:37 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - February 27, 2010 at 7:04 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - February 27, 2010 at 7:24 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Alex - February 27, 2010 at 8:57 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by LEDO - February 27, 2010 at 7:01 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Darwinian - February 27, 2010 at 7:03 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by LEDO - February 27, 2010 at 7:19 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - February 27, 2010 at 7:28 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Zen Badger - February 27, 2010 at 8:32 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - February 27, 2010 at 9:55 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Darwinian - February 27, 2010 at 7:20 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Darwinian - February 27, 2010 at 7:34 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Xyster - February 27, 2010 at 8:30 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - February 27, 2010 at 10:05 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - February 27, 2010 at 10:08 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Pippy - February 27, 2010 at 10:09 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 12:10 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Alex - February 28, 2010 at 12:11 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - February 27, 2010 at 10:09 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by padraic - February 27, 2010 at 10:21 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - February 28, 2010 at 12:02 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 12:33 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - February 28, 2010 at 1:55 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 11:35 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tiberius - February 28, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by fr0d0 - February 28, 2010 at 7:49 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by downbeatplumb - February 28, 2010 at 8:13 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by fr0d0 - February 28, 2010 at 11:31 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 2:05 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 11:33 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 11:44 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 12:47 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Violet - February 28, 2010 at 4:15 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - February 28, 2010 at 11:34 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 2:31 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 1, 2010 at 10:38 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Loki_999 - March 1, 2010 at 12:26 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - March 1, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 1, 2010 at 12:58 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - March 1, 2010 at 2:36 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 1, 2010 at 3:49 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - March 1, 2010 at 4:02 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tiberius - March 1, 2010 at 4:26 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - March 1, 2010 at 4:03 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - March 2, 2010 at 1:02 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - March 2, 2010 at 1:17 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - March 2, 2010 at 1:56 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - March 2, 2010 at 2:36 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tiberius - March 2, 2010 at 2:41 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Violet - March 2, 2010 at 4:42 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - March 2, 2010 at 5:38 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tiberius - March 2, 2010 at 8:46 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 2, 2010 at 3:45 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Ace Otana - March 2, 2010 at 3:50 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 2, 2010 at 4:18 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Ace Otana - March 2, 2010 at 4:28 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 2, 2010 at 5:17 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Ace Otana - March 2, 2010 at 6:50 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 3, 2010 at 10:37 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Ace Otana - March 3, 2010 at 11:20 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 3, 2010 at 12:25 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Ace Otana - March 3, 2010 at 12:55 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 3, 2010 at 4:40 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Ace Otana - March 3, 2010 at 5:27 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 3, 2010 at 6:27 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Ace Otana - March 3, 2010 at 6:55 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 4, 2010 at 4:48 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Ace Otana - March 5, 2010 at 9:45 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - March 5, 2010 at 12:48 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - March 5, 2010 at 1:12 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Loki_999 - March 4, 2010 at 4:55 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Darwinian - March 2, 2010 at 6:15 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 2, 2010 at 6:43 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by fr0d0 - March 2, 2010 at 7:56 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Darwinian - February 28, 2010 at 8:38 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 12:51 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Darwinian - February 28, 2010 at 12:53 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 12:54 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 1:03 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 1:06 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 1:17 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by fr0d0 - February 28, 2010 at 1:36 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 1:19 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 1:29 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 1:33 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 1:48 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 1:52 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 2:19 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 2:26 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 2:51 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 3:08 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - February 28, 2010 at 3:52 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 3:57 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - February 28, 2010 at 4:50 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 4:54 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - February 28, 2010 at 4:56 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 4:58 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - February 28, 2010 at 4:59 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 5:03 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Welsh cake - February 28, 2010 at 4:59 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - February 28, 2010 at 5:40 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tiberius - February 28, 2010 at 5:45 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tsidkenu - February 28, 2010 at 7:14 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - February 28, 2010 at 5:10 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 5:17 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - February 28, 2010 at 5:34 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 5:38 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tiberius - February 28, 2010 at 8:03 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - February 28, 2010 at 8:19 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 8:31 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - March 1, 2010 at 1:18 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 9:19 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 9:25 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 9:44 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tiberius - February 28, 2010 at 9:40 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tiberius - February 28, 2010 at 9:50 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 9:46 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - February 28, 2010 at 10:09 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Loki_999 - March 1, 2010 at 4:21 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Violet - March 1, 2010 at 4:43 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - March 2, 2010 at 3:45 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Violet - March 2, 2010 at 5:22 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - March 2, 2010 at 5:29 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Violet - March 2, 2010 at 6:22 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Minimalist - March 2, 2010 at 7:15 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Darwinian - March 2, 2010 at 7:59 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by fr0d0 - March 2, 2010 at 8:02 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Darwinian - March 2, 2010 at 8:03 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Violet - March 2, 2010 at 8:09 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Violet - March 2, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Tiberius - March 2, 2010 at 9:11 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Violet - March 3, 2010 at 5:27 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Ace Otana - March 6, 2010 at 5:00 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Welsh cake - March 6, 2010 at 5:39 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Loki_999 - March 9, 2010 at 3:01 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tavarish - March 6, 2010 at 6:14 pm
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by tackattack - March 9, 2010 at 7:09 am
RE: reasons to believe, there is no God - by Thor - March 10, 2010 at 12:01 pm

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