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Why would God?
RE: Why would God?
(January 11, 2014 at 12:27 pm)StoryBook Wrote:
(January 11, 2014 at 12:08 am)Godschild Wrote:


Ok, I think I made a connection here. I'm going to look at this in a different point of view.

First: God gave us free will. Free will has caused us to sin. So "Free will" = "Sin" ? To get rid of sin and be forgiven we must surrender to god, and ask for forgiveness, right? If so then we are giving up our free will...

Yes God gave us free will, yet free will did not cause us to sin, if you would read the scriptures you would see pride was the cause for sin, self pride. We do need to surrender to God by giving up our self pride, until we can do that we can't ask for forgiveness, forgiveness come through repentance and repentance is giving up self pride. No we do not ever give up our free will, God would not have it like that.

Quote:Next, If I'm going to hell and going to suffer for eternity then others will have eternal happiness in heaven. But that can't be possible, god would have to take away free will. My family in heaven will be eternally sad because I am in hell.

No, your family will understand God's justice, as scripture says, there will be no more sorrows nor tears in heaven. If you go to hell it will be of your own choice and in hell you will have the freedom to continue your hatred for God, everyone keeps their free will.

Quote:Lastly: Thank you for helping me and giving me info. I have been doing lots of research because of the things you have said. Unfortunately some of what you have said does not make complete sense to me. I love figuring things out, mostly on my own. I do this by observing and analyzing. I also like looking at things in a Psychological way, guess that's why I'm really good with animal behavior.

I hope you will continue looking and I will always try and give you answers to questions, if you're still confused just ask. I can only give you answers that I understand, God's the only one who can give you those answers that can satisfy.

Quote:So base on what you have told me,about how you can see god... I can fully believe in Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca . They created the world. They and the others gods help us all. Like Tonatiuh, which is the god of our sun. How else could this fire call of energy just be there. I also believe in Xochiquetzal, I can feel the love this goddess gives us, and see the flowers she has created. And so on(yes these are real).

How is it that other gods can exist when God says there are no other gods besides me, the creator of the universe and the One who has always been should know, right? If these gods exist why have they never come to me and ask me to believe in them, why did they not give up a sacrifice to save me from my sin.

Quote:See, no one can be 100% on creation. There are so many dam stories about creation and life. So much stuff people believe to be true because it is written down. You believe this because you have hope, and a subconscious fear of hell. You find parallels in your life and convince yourself of a reality from a book. A book that was written by a human, claim to get answers from a god. He saw life and made his own conclusion and story for it, just as all the others did for their god(s) and creation stories.

The first problem with you assumption, is that only one person wrote the Bible, there have been many authors, before making assumptions about the Bible you should first understand some of the basics about it. There is One who's responsible for the Bible, God.
I'm 100% sure that God created the universe, absolutely no doubts.

Quote:I'm not telling you to stop believing, you seem to have had a ruff time with life and are using this book to get you though it(life in general).

Asking me to stop believing would be futile, to give up what I know for sure would be stupid of me. Your mistake is that you think I believe in a book to get me through life, you could not be farther from the truth, God is who gets me through life and I find God's solutions in His word, the Bible is an instruction book that God has given to us. I have had rough patches in my life, but far from what many others have experienced so I consider myself fortunate and well looked after by God.

Quote: I'm asking you to come back to reality for a bit and not be blind to the other possibility. To stop and see the world for yourself. I have looked at Buddhism and have seen that you can go though life and be happy without a god. I'm not Buddhist but the information I can get from it, and observing the world, and what you have said to me, I have found more to life and figured out things to help me better mine. It is a great power of wishful thinking. I'm trying to see things as a whole and not a part. All these stories seem to have something that off or illogical. People did/do whole heartily believe in these stories of creation. They feel the same way, that they are right, in the Muslim as you do about your god. Now you both can't be right, can you?

I've lived in the world, actually many years without trusting God for anything, I thought things were fine and believed I knew the truth about life. Then I came to God through Christ and found how wrong I was, life as a greater meaning to me now and I live for others not just myself, being part of God's plan is an honor not a burden, most can't see this but it's true. We can make a burden of anything when things do not please us, in Christianity as long as we will serve God first, which means serving others before ourselves, we will have less time to worry about ourselves and our petty problems.

Quote:Wow now after all this I think I'm going from a 5 to a 6 on the Dawkins scale...

Backing up in life has never solved a thing, and when God is call to us backing up only makes things more difficult. I know you do not understand this hopefully on day you will. If Dawkins was so sure of himself then why did he find the need to attack Christianity, why didn't he just keep up promoting evolution. If he was so sure that Christianity was wrong why would he find it a threat to himself, I've seen his talks and he was self promoting, he never cared for others, it's as plain as the nose on my face. Even if I were an believer in evolution I still would find a man like him repulsive at best, his hatred for Christianity was obvious, on things for sure he now knows the truth, one way or the other.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why would God? - by StoryBook - January 11, 2014 at 12:27 pm
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