(January 16, 2014 at 9:12 am)Drich Wrote: Prov 13
24 He who spares his rod hates his son,
But he who loves him disciplines him promptly.
Prov 23
13 Do not withhold ndiscipline from a child;
oif you strike him with a rod, he will not die.
14 If you strike him with the rod,
you will psave his soul from Sheol.
Prov22
15 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child;
The rod of correction will drive it far from him.
Prov 20
30 Blows that hurt cleanse away evil,
As do stripes the inner depths of the heart.[d]
Prov 29
15 vThe rod and reproof give wisdom,
but a child left to himself wbrings shame to his mother.
(I've seen this one played out at the store a few times)
Plus if you do it right a few times when they are young (unless your son or daughter is working with a box of rocks for common sense) your word is all that is needed to make things happen.
You make my case better than I ever could. Persuasion, for fundamentalists, should be unthinking. Obedience is the goal, not understanding. Everyone should fall in line with the great chain of command. *holds nose*