(January 16, 2014 at 10:55 am)StoryBook Wrote:Quote:[quote='Godschild' pid='584145' dateline='1389880699']
Quote:So he KNEW we would sin? Why would he bother creating us to let us suffer? Why word he let so many generations/people suffer? That seems far from love. People would not exist so we would not know of god, or suffering. It seem rather pointless to create an eternal sinful species, don't you think?
Yes He knew, he's omniscient. As I said He created us because He loved us before He created us, the suffering became our choice. Parents have children knowing that at times they will suffer during their lives, does that mean parents do not love their children? Why do you believe it's pointless for God to have created us?
God's creation was perfect, without flaw, man chose to love himself over God which corrupted the creation. Disobedience brings with it a responsibility to accept the consequences of that disobedience. If a people does not accept the consequences, they are rebelling against an authority that is higher than themselves.
GC Wrote:You need to remember you are asking questions that only study can answer not just a read though of the Bible.
Quote:Why didn't god make a study book?
He did, the next time you pick up your Bible consider it the study book, in school you have study books, you can choose to use them as a study book or you can just do a read through, the best choice is both.
Quote:After reading Eve "sinning" it seems like they didn't have free will till they ate the fruit and realized that they where naked. They gain knowledge and awareness, which seems like free will.
GC Wrote:Choice is free will and they had the freedom to choose to disobey God or obey Him, they made a choice, a wrong one but nevertheless they chose.
As far as their nakedness, before they chose to sin they knew nothing of the evils that the knowledge would reveal they had obtained, they lived in innocence. Keep this in mind for a future question you will probably have about Paul and sin and grace.
Quote:So they did not know of evil before hand. They did not know that they where disobeying gods word. This means they did NOT that they were being bad/evil/sinful.
When people understand there are consequences for certain behavior, they understand that chosen behavior is wrong. Adam and Eve both understood that there was consequences to eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. To answer your question, no they did not know of evil.
Quote:They will learn of good and evil, which is a choice from free will. They were doing what they were told, God told them not to eat the tree, but the serpent told Eve it was ok too, so she did.
So did god create the serpent? Did he make it evil?
GC Wrote:God did not create evil, that would be against all that God is, as for the serpent, it was probably just a way of referring to Lucifer after his fall. Let me ask you a question please, what reason would God have to make evil, He knew the price His Son would pay because of evil?
GC
Quote:Why would the all knowing god bother creating us knowing we would be evil? I'm not god, but it seems more like he got bored of peacefulness and decided to let lose sinful/evil human. Maybe he wants us to worship him because he got bored of simple minded animals that do what they want. Maybe he is not here anymore and went to another galaxy?
I do not believe we are necessarily evil, people do evil things but is all sin evil, I do not believe so. I do believe all evil is sin.
I'm really confused as to why you would believe that God being pure love would create evil, especially knowing the cost to Himself. Why do you believe that God would create evil over other things if you think He was looking for entertainment, He could have done many things that would not have cost Him such a high price. Besides you need to rationalize how a being such as God could ever get bored, you are looking at God from a human's perspective and the only reason humans have to be bored is laziness, in my opinion, there are to many things in this world for us to do to get bored. God created man right after the animals, you are looking at evolution over creation and evolution does not fit into God's existence. God created man to have a relationship with him, you should have seen this reading the first few chapters of Genesis, you need to contemplate what you're reading in the Bible, don't just read it as you would a simple novel. Remember what I said, the Bible is a study book.
God created a universe and a galaxy is no bigger than a pinpoint in the universe, so God has gone nowhere, I experience Him daily and I grateful for His presence.
Talk with you again on Sunday or Monday have a great weekend.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.