My Fellow Atheist

[tackattack]

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tackattack wrote:"so then do idea's exist?"

definition from wikipedia:
In the most narrow sense, an idea is just whatever is before the mind when one thinks. Very often, ideas are construed as representational images; i.e. images of some object. In other contexts, ideas are taken to be concepts, although abstract concepts do not necessarily appear as images.[1] Many philosophers consider ideas to be a fundamental ontological category of being.

Obviously ideas cannot exist in the physical realm as you and I do. That is the reason that I think ideas are as described above concepts created within the mind. Almost everything we know to exist in the physical realm such as tables, chairs, electronic inventions started out as ideas or concepts based on the development of previous knowledge. Once they made it past the thinking and planning stage the labor of making those ideas a reality through the act of invention and ingenuity brought those ideas into existence. Your God is an idea but his existence is beyond the realm of reality and the proof of said existence is unattainable.

The concept of god started as an idea, was accepted and believed, and finally was charged with the investment of ones emotional content. This is what gives the idea of god life but if you can't do this (believe without proof) then god remains an idea and nothing more.

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So only those that have made those ideas into reality through ingenuity and invention can claim its existence? My concept of a computer came from a computer, not from building one. Just because I've come to learn more about the nature of computers doesn't mean they didn't exist. If God is the original creator, then our knowledge of his existence comes from that which he's created and says nothing of the truth of his existence; but does lead me to believe. I agree the concept of God started as an idea from observations, just like I first observed a computer and learned to define.

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Not that anyone is saying you're wrong. Frodo is a generic geriatric old deluded theist melodramatic dipshit, but he's a well loved and respected generic geriatric old deluded theist melodramatic dipshit.

He, and others here, subscribe to their own brand of christianity. They don't subscribe to parts of the bible they dislike and subscribe to the parts they like. They use words to describe their brands like; common-sense, logic, deductive reasoning. Their stand(s) on the matter could be boiled down to "I make it up as I go along." An expanded version of 'Goddidit'.

And that particular type of theology is most frustrating to discuss.

If only they had the honesty to say "Yes, perhaps it is possible that it could be my brain making up stimuli to make me feel fuzzy inside with a bit of wishful thinking."

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@dotard- If by my own brand you mean established since 1881, and by picking and choosing you meant reading within as original context as possible then I completely agree

@tav- I've said that many times to many people and in case you missed it: It is quite possible that my brain alone could make up the reality of God and my religion has an intrinsic bit of wishfull thinking thrown in.