(January 17, 2014 at 9:51 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes He knew, he's omniscient. As I said He created us because He loved us before He created us, the suffering became our choice. Parents have children knowing that at times they will suffer during their lives, does that mean parents do not love their children? Why do you believe it's pointless for God to have created us?
God's creation was perfect, without flaw, man chose to love himself over God which corrupted the creation. Disobedience brings with it a responsibility to accept the consequences of that disobedience. If a people does not accept the consequences, they are rebelling against an authority that is higher than themselves.
Quote:I do not believe we are necessarily evil, people do evil things but is all sin evil, I do not believe so. I do believe all evil is sin.
I'm really confused as to why you would believe that God being pure love would create evil, especially knowing the cost to Himself. Why do you believe that God would create evil over other things if you think He was looking for entertainment, He could have done many things that would not have cost Him such a high price. Besides you need to rationalize how a being such as God could ever get bored, you are looking at God from a human's perspective and the only reason humans have to be bored is laziness, in my opinion, there are to many things in this world for us to do to get bored. God created man right after the animals, you are looking at evolution over creation and evolution does not fit into God's existence. God created man to have a relationship with him, you should have seen this reading the first few chapters of Genesis, you need to contemplate what you're reading in the Bible, don't just read it as you would a simple novel. Remember what I said, the Bible is a study book.
God created a universe and a galaxy is no bigger than a pinpoint in the universe, so God has gone nowhere, I experience Him daily and I grateful for His presence.
Talk with you again on Sunday or Monday have a great weekend.
GC
If god it all knowing he knew we would sin. He should of made it so we did not have the flaw of sin. He is the creator and even with free will he can do anything. He can manipulate free will to any way he wants. He created it. What is free will, really? Do you really know, or do you think you know. You can never be sure if its your choice or your god choice. You say you see him, but you could be deluded to think that it was you to chose to see him, or him making you see him(that is if he is not just your imagination).

GC Wrote:When people understand there are consequences for certain behavior, they understand that chosen behavior is wrong. Adam and Eve both understood that there was consequences to eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. To answer your question, no they did not know of evil.
Right, they didn't know of evil until eating the fruit. So they would not understand that the punishment was bad, because they did not know of evil. They didn't understand that it was bad. They were like children, not understanding the consequence of their behavior. God told them not to do it so they didn't. Then the serpent said it was ok, so they did it. They didn't understand the consequence of doing what they were told. They did understand the punishment for being disobedient to god.