RE: Why would God?
January 21, 2014 at 2:18 am
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2014 at 2:42 am by Godscreated.)
(January 20, 2014 at 11:58 am)StoryBook Wrote:(January 17, 2014 at 9:51 am)Godschild Wrote: When people understand there are consequences for certain behavior, they understand that chosen behavior is wrong. Adam and Eve both understood that there was consequences to eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. To answer your question, no they did not know of evil.
Right, they didn't know of evil until eating the fruit. So they would not understand that the punishment was bad, because they did not know of evil. They didn't understand that it was bad. They were like children, not understanding the consequence of their behavior. God told them not to do it so they didn't. Then the serpent said it was ok, so they did it. They didn't understand the consequence of doing what they were told. They did understand the punishment for being disobedient to god.
You are confusing evil with disobedience, do you consider a child evil when it disobeys a parent, I do not necessarily believe it is. The act of disobedience is what allowed the knowledge of evil to enter into human existence. So Adam and Eve were not being evil or even put in the position to be evil, they disobeyed the only commandment, law or whatever you want to call it God gave them to keep, nothing else was forbidden, why, because there was nothing else to forbid. The serpent (Lucifer) had already fallen to the self and he wanted man to be in the same boat with him. Lucifer was not trying to free man from God's commands, not at all, he was trying to enslave man in sin as he now found himself. Lucifer was sure that man would be placed above him if he could not tempt man into sin, what he didn't know, if he was successful in the end man would be above all the angels. The people who will live with God for eternity will be placed above the angels and they will serve man. If Lucifer had failed this would not be the case and man would have lived in complete harmony with God, never to suffer disease and death. However if man had eaten from the tree without Lucifer tempting, then we would be suffering his fate of destruction. Lucifer knew his end before he was cast from heaven and he wanted to hurt God in every way possible before his sentence was carried out. So, free will is as simple as it was explained in the first chapters of Genesis, you can follow God and have eternal life or follow Lucifer and suffer his fate. Your choice and your fate, all by your own decision, God actually made it simple for everyone to understand. Like Adam and Eve we all want to put ourselves before God, this just want work, I'm not saying you have to completely ignore your own interests, the Bible doesn't teach that.
As for your statement they didn't understand the punishment for disobedience was bad, Adam told Eve it meant death and Eve told Lucifer it meant death, so yes they did understand. Don't you think they would have asked God what death was if they did not understand?
GC
(January 20, 2014 at 4:34 pm)StoryBook Wrote:(January 20, 2014 at 3:44 pm)Severan Wrote: Just stop posting, storybook, all these people will do is make a bad attempt to extend the arguments that have already been proven false.
Yea, I can see that we just keep talking circles. I can only try. GC seems to not see the connections that I do
Thanks Severan for showing us what the typical atheist is like. You want to deny StoryBook answers, you say blind yourself StoryBook before you make the wrong decision according to me, please do not think for yourself trust me I know better. Yep, a typical atheist who says Christians blind themselves, yet here you are trying to keep Storybook from free choice, from investigation. You and the other atheist here rage at Christians because you believe we have not investigated our beliefs, you have no idea at the lengths we might go to secure our beliefs, but you would deny StoryBook the right to investigate. You IMO are a self centered little person who's afraid StoryBook might decide to become a Christian, boy that would destroy your day. Again I thank you for showing the true colors of the atheist, hopefully others will see as well.
StoryBook I said before we can halt this at any time, if you think you're going to get me to change what I believe and you haven't studied the Bible much less read it, then you are barking up the wrong tree. Because I've studied scriptures I have been able to experience God outside of the Bible and when a person has reached this level of knowledge there's no turning back. So if you really believe this conversation has gone in circles and know now you can't change my mind, then what's the point of continuing on. Why would you believe that what God has done in my life can be changed by someone who doesn't even know the simplest things about scripture. The decision to continue or not is your's.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.