(October 21, 2013 at 9:27 am)TheBeardedDude Wrote: If god commanded you to kill someone (for all intents and purposes let's assume we both agree that it is in fact god itself/himself/herself who did indeed tell you to do so), is following god's orders and killing them a moral action? Why or why not?
hey! god will never command me to kill anyone. even in Bible it is said: "do not kill".
though I know what you are talking about. there are some special cases.
personally i am disturbed when I read site like harekrsna.org and find out from it that some people could have poisoned Prabhupada, ISKCON (International society for Krishna consciousness) founder. that could be some man called Candra-Swami (swami can be translated even as saint or priest)...
see - nonsense! how can saint poison or kill to death some spiritual leader.
it is also said - "my devotee never perishes" - Krishna says to Arjuna that "would can never die - soul is eternal"...
so this is different. soul can't be killed, and thus when it's said : "noone can kill anyone" it is said from spiritual point of view, and not material.
spiritual point of view mean "i am soul, and not this temporary material body"...
yes i am also disturbed when I read that some disciples (are they really?) whom Prabhupada initiated - they killed each other in New Vrindavan...
one case is very special. Sulocana das was initiated by Prabhupada.
and he didn;t like many gurus or preachers in ISKCON. so was running all around New Vrindavan with a gun trying to kill )probably) Kirtan ananda Swami (Sulocana called him asura)...
So it is said that Radhanatha Swami (disciple of Prabhupada) "was pushing like crazy for this to happen",and this happened - Sulocana was killed by some people who protected Kirtan ananda and Radhanatha.
Kirtan ananda was jailed. Radhanatha is free and preaching.
i saw him personally. I don't know what this person is.
he is said to meet Dalai Lama, St Teresa, also he was preaching in Apple, Ford, also in Parliament of GB, also talked to Obama president...
I don't know who is he. Radhanatha is described as man who also carried a gun in his hands... so I don't know what is that all ...
so you want to ask about killing.
First. we should be very careful about such things like "god told you this or that"... and especially if you say -= "god told you to kill someone"...
when I was talking to one big atheist - we argued, still I said - "Krishna also killed demons" like you, atheist.
Atheist said just before that: "someone like you must be killed"...
so it is strange. but I showed that atheist a picture of Krishna, and after some half year this atheist died... yes, on my birthday ;-0)
this is I think - a gift for me from Krishna =-)
yes, actually I was scared a lot a that time of what atheist said. though I didn't think of killing any atheist or anynone.
so, even if I think that someone is asura or demon, I usually am joking.
though some people do not understand this.
when I say that someone like Bill Gates should go to eternal hell for trillions of lifetimes - it is also kind of joke. though, there is some truth in it.
and you ask what is moral and not- which killing is moral and which is not?
I have an answer.
one other atheist - he was on second world war - he was atheist, and so he said - "believers in God - they didn't want to fight. we had to do that for them, to defeat enemies..."
so thus he tried to show himself as very good man, as moral atheist, and us - believers as immoral - that we didn't wanted to fight or kill enemies - be they Germans of Hitler, or some atheists etc...
we do not want to kill anyone, including ourselves...
yes, Vishnu and avatars, and Krishna Himself, they killed some asuras.
but now we are in other age. it is Lord Caitanya age - we do not kill anyone.
rather - we convert atheists into devotees of Krsihna-Caitanya.
Our only weapon is - Hari Nama sankirtana - we preach holy names, sing and dance Hare Krishna mahamantra-song ...
that is our weapon.
though it is said to be strong...
why?
it is said that sankirtana destroys fire of repeated birth and death...
so if you atheists who are cursed to trillions of lifetimes in eternal hells -
find yourlseves in that hells - just chant Hare Krishna mantra
and you'll slowly get out of hells...
this will kill you as atheists, and you'll resurrect as devotees of Krishna...
