(December 11, 2008 at 12:07 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:(December 11, 2008 at 10:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: But prove nothing except that the Christian religion existed around these times, it doesn't prove there was a Christ as those religions could well have been Gnostic.This proves apparently this Christ figure was being worshipped just as the Gospels describe.
Perhaps but it DOES NOT prove that Christ figure was real in a physical sense.
(December 11, 2008 at 12:07 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:(December 11, 2008 at 10:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: And one religion's paranoia about another's claims' proves the latter correct? Get real!If the Qu'ran says, "Jesus was not worshipped." No kidding Islamic leaders will probably execute this guy for showing the world "the Islamic prophet was worshipped!" Islam strictly believes, "No earthly man is worth praising". Why would a Muslim come forward and admit this Christ figure was being worshipped?? It's no wonder Islamic leaders in Jordan have halted this story from going any further!
As I said earlier you have yet to prove this man is a Muslim.
(December 11, 2008 at 12:07 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:(December 11, 2008 at 10:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: How? Be specific.Ask Dr. Al-Hassan. He says he has evidence Jesus Christ existed. And he has solid evidence to make the claim that Jesus was worshipped long before the Gospels were penned.
It's YOUR claim, YOU ask Hassan, while you're at it you might try confirming the claim above.
(December 11, 2008 at 12:07 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:(December 11, 2008 at 10:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Even if there were a literal Jesus Christ it is not proof of the essential Christian claims so no, the idea of atheism is absolutely unaffected by your witterings, however I dispute your claim that these churches are as claimed and that it even "proves" a literal Jesus Christ.Atheists have rejected the existence of Jesus for the last several hundred years or so. Now we have clues to believe Jesus did exist. Now atheists are saying, 'we believed in Jesus all along, but you can't prove he was Divine.' lol. Gimme a break!
Er ... no we're not and quite frankly you're being at best disingenuous, at worst lying, to say "we" (as a group) are.
(December 11, 2008 at 12:07 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:(December 11, 2008 at 10:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Repeating yourself doesn't make it any more valid, rather implies that your argument is weak.Apparently it needs repeating because it's not sinking in.
Apparently such claims need some for of supporting and rationally interpreted evidence as well ... perhaps you'd be so good as top provide something a little more weighty than OPINION.
(December 11, 2008 at 12:07 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:(December 11, 2008 at 10:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: I've yet to see evidence of that claim.Do you know the perentage of Muslims in Jordan compared to Christians? Let me give you a hint. It's like finding a Buddhist believer in America compared to Christians.
Nope, nor do I greatly care ... please prove Hassan is a Muslim.
(December 11, 2008 at 12:07 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:(December 11, 2008 at 10:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Do I care? You haven't even demonstrated he is a Muslim yet.My friend told me Dr Al-Hassan is writing a book called, 'The Christ-Cave, my fall from Islam."
Your friend told you? Oh Lord, my eyes have been opened! Just get to it will you? Prove this Hassan is a Muslim.
(December 11, 2008 at 12:07 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:(December 11, 2008 at 10:59 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: please prove Hassan is a Christian. I'm forced to wonder why theists don't use their brains more?I'm forced to wonder why atheists still reject Jesus the Messiah when evidence is being uncovered.
And when it is I'm sure we will accept it even if a little unwillingly but until that day please, be a good chap, and provide some [expletive deleted] evidence!!!!!!!!!!!
Kyu