(January 27, 2014 at 1:32 pm)Godschild Wrote:(January 26, 2014 at 10:12 pm)Tea Earl Grey Hot Wrote: God knows the future right? God knows who's going to hell.
Knowing is not in any way predestination. Right?
GC
Actually, knowing the future would be predestination. The only way one can know the future is if the future is set in stone, and the only way that can be is if whatever actions must be taken to achieve this known and guaranteed future are certain to happen (i.e. predestined to happen).
Also, if god created the universe, he would know what its future would be depending on his actions, so it is logical to conclude that he knew that if he created the universe in a certain way and interfered in its affairs in a certain way, this would cause a specific future to occur with certainty. But if he knew which future would occur, then he would also know how he would eventually intervene in the universe to bring about that particular future, and he would not be able to change these actions, thus making him predestined. And if he didn't know what the future would be, then he wouldn't be omniscient (even if he knows all possible futures, if he doesn't know which one will come to pass, he doesn't know everything).
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
