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God doesn't follow the Golden Rule
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RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule
(January 27, 2014 at 5:29 pm)Chad32 Wrote:
(January 27, 2014 at 2:03 pm)Godschild Wrote:

You're right. No one made god do it. So he has no excuse for doing it, and punishing someone eternally for limited sin is wrong on multiple levels.

God's never made an excuse for creating hell, He has explained what it's for and why people will wind-up there. Even one sin is not limited if not forgiven by God, the unforgiven sin is eternal and only an eternal punishment can be a proper punishment.

Quote:Just because someone made something doesn't give them all right to abuse it. That's why we have child protection laws. That's why people would be looked down on for building houses just to burn them down.

God want be abusing hell, once everything is said and done at the end of time no one in heaven will ever know where hell is, nor will they care. God and His people will live on forever in the wonders of a new universe, unpolluted by sin. You have a completely wrong view of hell and it's purpose.

Quote:Maybe my dad was justified in his punishments, but there's never any debate over whether or not my dad exists, or what exactly he wants me to do. also more importantly, he's not still beating me with a belt for getting an F on my report card. He does not torture me daily because I refuse to let him run my life.

There's no debate among believers if God is real, we know He is and we know His promises, we also know what God wants use to do. You can argue against His promises all you want, it want make a difference, God has promised and so it will be. A person can go kicking and screaming all the way to hell, it want change a thing, the one thing they will know for sure is that justice was served and they were wrong. God doesn't torture anyone, you can through that up all you want, it will never make God a torturer. Actually your punishment will be dealt out by your own self.

Quote:God is often spoken of as a parent, but a parent's job is to eventually alow their children to have lives of their own where they're independant. Your deity just wants slaves. If he wants a relationship with me, he has to meet me half way. That's the only way that healthy relationships work.

You have that backwards, parents are to model themselves from God's examples. God is was and always be the first parent. If God desired slaves you would be one at this moment, doing exactly what an omnipotent being desired you to do, no choices in your life.
You can not even come to God till He calls you, so God actually comes all the way to you, no one seeks God on their own. So if you're looking for a healthy relationship then what better than one where Your Friend is always with you.

Quote:No one has a right to own any free thinking being. Be it natural or supernatural. Most civilized countries have grown out of that. Inclusing USA, which the religious often say is a christian nation. A recent thread about people getting sick from eating grass is a good example of the harmful mentality that religion imposes on people. When you can convince an adult to do something they know is harmful to them is when your beliefs need a serious reevaluation.

So you think you can make up your own rules for God and His creation.
The USA was a Christian nation, I have my doubts now, but the the scriptures foretell of a world pulling away from God, just as happened in Noah's day.
I did not see anything about people eating grass so I can't comment on that happening. What I can say is that God punished a king and the king grazed like a cow for several years. People should pay close attention to the scriptures before they claim stuff.

GC

(January 27, 2014 at 2:14 pm)Darkstar Wrote:
(January 27, 2014 at 1:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: Knowing is not in any way predestination. Right?

GC

Actually, knowing the future would be predestination. The only way one can know the future is if the future is set in stone, and the only way that can be is if whatever actions must be taken to achieve this known and guaranteed future are certain to happen (i.e. predestined to happen).

Also, if god created the universe, he would know what its future would be depending on his actions, so it is logical to conclude that he knew that if he created the universe in a certain way and interfered in its affairs in a certain way, this would cause a specific future to occur with certainty. But if he knew which future would occur, then he would also know how he would eventually intervene in the universe to bring about that particular future, and he would not be able to change these actions, thus making him predestined. And if he didn't know what the future would be, then he wouldn't be omniscient (even if he knows all possible futures, if he doesn't know which one will come to pass, he doesn't know everything).

You're just being ridiculous, only if God made you choose your finial destination would it be considered predestination.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Messages In This Thread
God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 26, 2014 at 9:10 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Ryantology - January 26, 2014 at 9:41 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Chad32 - January 26, 2014 at 9:47 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Drich - January 26, 2014 at 9:56 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Godschild - January 26, 2014 at 10:01 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Zen Badger - January 26, 2014 at 10:10 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Godschild - January 27, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Crossless1 - January 27, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Darkstar - January 27, 2014 at 2:14 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Zen Badger - January 28, 2014 at 6:12 am
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 26, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Chad32 - January 26, 2014 at 10:14 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Godschild - January 27, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Chad32 - January 27, 2014 at 5:29 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Godschild - January 28, 2014 at 1:57 am
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Ryantology - January 28, 2014 at 6:29 am
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Chad32 - January 28, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by truthBtold - January 28, 2014 at 11:27 am
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by KUSA - January 26, 2014 at 10:23 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Minimalist - January 26, 2014 at 10:46 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by KUSA - January 26, 2014 at 11:09 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Drich - January 26, 2014 at 11:58 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Zen Badger - January 27, 2014 at 2:53 am
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Odysseus - January 27, 2014 at 7:31 am
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Drich - January 27, 2014 at 9:09 am
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Drich - January 27, 2014 at 12:36 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Chad32 - January 28, 2014 at 11:50 am
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Godschild - January 28, 2014 at 3:55 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Chad32 - January 28, 2014 at 4:03 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Shaggy - January 28, 2014 at 4:13 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Chad32 - January 28, 2014 at 4:18 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Godschild - January 29, 2014 at 3:31 am
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Chad32 - January 29, 2014 at 9:12 am
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by truthBtold - January 28, 2014 at 4:56 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Chad32 - January 28, 2014 at 5:00 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by truthBtold - January 28, 2014 at 5:04 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Chad32 - January 28, 2014 at 5:09 pm
RE: God doesn't follow the Golden Rule - by Whateverist - January 29, 2014 at 11:10 am

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