God doesn't follow the Golden Rule

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God's never made an excuse for creating hell, He has explained what it's for and why people will wind-up there. Even one sin is not limited if not forgiven by God, the unforgiven sin is eternal and only an eternal punishment can be a proper punishment.

And that's why I think he's kind of a psycho. Because he made something like that just out of spite for those who don't unquestioningly obey him.

Just because someone made something doesn't give them all right to abuse it. That's why we have child protection laws. That's why people would be looked down on for building houses just to burn them down.

God want be abusing hell, once everything is said and done at the end of time no one in heaven will ever know where hell is, nor will they care. God and His people will live on forever in the wonders of a new universe, unpolluted by sin. You have a completely wrong view of hell and it's purpose.

Hell is an abuse in itsself. I really don't think I have a worng view of eternal punishment for mere decades of sins. Now I've heard there's a verse that just says the fire will destroy the soul and it just won't exist anymore. That I'd be fine with, since aside from the fire part, cessasion os existence is what atheists believe will happen anyway. It's just that this idea won't get them into the church, so the idea of torture was added.

Also I'm glad to know people will be mind raped in heaven. Fun stuff. Just wipe clean their identity so it conforms to what Yahweh wants. Real peachy.

Maybe my dad was justified in his punishments, but there's never any debate over whether or not my dad exists, or what exactly he wants me to do. also more importantly, he's not still beating me with a belt for getting an F on my report card. He does not torture me daily because I refuse to let him run my life.

There's no debate among believers if God is real, we know He is and we know His promises, we also know what God wants use to do. You can argue against His promises all you want, it want make a difference, God has promised and so it will be. A person can go kicking and screaming all the way to hell, it want change a thing, the one thing they will know for sure is that justice was served and they were wrong. God doesn't torture anyone, you can through that up all you want, it will never make God a torturer. Actually your punishment will be dealt out by your own self.

There are three main branches of people that believe in Yahweh: christians, jews, and muslims. There are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of denominations of christianity alone. You people have no idea what he wants, if he exists at all. Don't kid yourselves.

God is often spoken of as a parent, but a parent's job is to eventually alow their children to have lives of their own where they're independant. Your deity just wants slaves. If he wants a relationship with me, he has to meet me half way. That's the only way that healthy relationships work.

You have that backwards, parents are to model themselves from God's examples. God is was and always be the first parent. If God desired slaves you would be one at this moment, doing exactly what an omnipotent being desired you to do, no choices in your life.
You can not even come to God till He calls you, so God actually comes all the way to you, no one seeks God on their own. So if you're looking for a healthy relationship then what better than one where Your Friend is always with you.

Yahweh didn't come all the way to me. Otherwise I wouldn't have left the church. He is not always with me. The fact that I can't prove he exists tells me he isn't here.

No one has a right to own any free thinking being. Be it natural or supernatural. Most civilized countries have grown out of that. Inclusing USA, which the religious often say is a christian nation. A recent thread about people getting sick from eating grass is a good example of the harmful mentality that religion imposes on people. When you can convince an adult to do something they know is harmful to them is when your beliefs need a serious reevaluation.

So you think you can make up your own rules for God and His creation.
The USA was a Christian nation, I have my doubts now, but the the scriptures foretell of a world pulling away from God, just as happened in Noah's day.
I did not see anything about people eating grass so I can't comment on that happening. What I can say is that God punished a king and the king grazed like a cow for several years. People should pay close attention to the scriptures before they claim stuff.

I don't make up my own rules for Yahweh. I take my personal experiences in this world, and what people have told me, to shape my reality, and have found many things in the bible to be wrong. This country has found things in the bible to be wrong, since it encourages equality, freedom of speach and religion, and criminalizes slavery and genocide based on religious beliefs. Human morality is the only thing I have. It's the only thing anyone has, whether you get it from personal experience, other people, or books. That's why a lot of what Yahweh said conforms to contemporary views of the world at the time. Making it ok to force a woman to marry her rapist, instead of instituting a society where women are treated equally and not be valued strictly on whether or not they're still virgins.

GC

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Actually, knowing the future would be predestination. The only way one can know the future is if the future is set in stone, and the only way that can be is if whatever actions must be taken to achieve this known and guaranteed future are certain to happen (i.e. predestined to happen).

Also, if god created the universe, he would know what its future would be depending on his actions, so it is logical to conclude that he knew that if he created the universe in a certain way and interfered in its affairs in a certain way, this would cause a specific future to occur with certainty. But if he knew which future would occur, then he would also know how he would eventually intervene in the universe to bring about that particular future, and he would not be able to change these actions, thus making him predestined. And if he didn't know what the future would be, then he wouldn't be omniscient (even if he knows all possible futures, if he doesn't know which one will come to pass, he doesn't know everything).

You're just being ridiculous, only if God made you choose your finial destination would it be considered predestination.

GC

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If I told u god wants me to be an atheist, would u believe me?