(March 11, 2010 at 5:06 pm)AngelThMan Wrote:Except that you have not met my standards of evidence nor have you fulfilled your burden of proof. As you already know God is an extraordinary claim which requires extraordinary evidence.Wikipedia Wrote:Evidence in its broadest sense includes everything that is used to determine or demonstrate the truth of an assertion. Giving or procuring evidence is the process of using those things that are either a) presumed to be true, or b) were themselves proven via evidence, to demonstrate an assertion's truth. Evidence is the currency by which one fulfills the burden of proof.This doesn't contradict anything I've provided.
AngelThMan Wrote:You practically insinuated it rant-style, but again, its irrelevant to the topic at hand, what I'm actually frowning upon is how you respond to critical thinking by trying to control what responses will be acknowledged and what will be dismissed regardless of relevancy to the thread, which is audacious to the extreme.Welsh cake Wrote:A word of advice: making these assertions you are clearly "civil mannered" and all atheists are douchebags is pointless, arrogant and utterly irrelevant to your argument.I never said all atheists are douchebags. That's your invention. But many times I've been answered with profanity and name-calling, and it is my right to choose who I want to or don't want to communicate with.
AngelThMan Wrote:You're being naive if you think that someone who has strong convictions about their beliefs is going to succumb so easily.Many people and myself included honestly couldn't care less what beliefs you profess. At the end of the day it's negligible and inconsequential. You're making claims in public and now the burden of proof is upon you, not anyone else.
AngelThMan Wrote:Wrong! Any disrespectful replies will not be considered. I have a choice, and that's what I choose.Inadvertently, if you wilfully ignore those who criticise your presuppositions because you made unjustifiable claims and invalid causal connections then you aren't debating with us anyway, you're preaching. We also have a choice to respectfully ignore you, what do you say to that? As an atheist, as a free-thinker I welcome everyone to the table. I welcome new ideas and new methods of thinking and problem solving; but a word of caution - say something credulous and you'll be picked up on it. If you seriously can't handle that, if you cannot accept your beliefs subjected to scrutiny, then you're probably not ready for a serious debate just yet friend.
AngelThMan Wrote:I understand evolution. Trust me. I never said evolution is a ladder. What I alluded to is that other species would have benefit from our brand of intelligence, and yet none developed it.So far you've demonstrated to me you haven't understood it at all, otherwise you'd cease making these absurd assertions about intelligence as a qualifier and/or milestone in evolution. Our apparent intelligence is not a sign we're somehow "superior" or "higher" to other life-forms.
AngelThMan Wrote:Have you ever heard of Theistic Evolution? Read up on it.Don't you think as a former-Christian I already have? This does nothing for your argument since Theistic Evolution is not scientific fact as it focuses on the belief in a supernatural creator. You have to logically prove god actually exists first before Theistic Evolution can ever be regarded by scientific consensus as fact.
But if yours is simply an argument from intelligence in relation to a supernatural creator then, why didn't your god concept make everything living on Earth have the same level of sentience to start with? Why have animals if humans were only capable of loving him?