Is Satan shown lying in the bible?

[Chad32]

[quote='Godschild' pid='598164' dateline='1391557786']
So I guess you felt the same about your parents when they gave you a choice to mind or else.

Well my dad isn't beating me every day for getting an F on a report card 20 years ago, nor has he ever threatened to. Plus I know he exists, and I know he took effort to care for me. The end result of parenting is to train someone up so they can be independent, and live their own life. That's how a child is to be raised, but Yahweh wants us to be slaves.

If God wanted you as a slave you would be one right now, since you're not it seems your statement is false.
Your dad is not the eternal creator who rules over an entire universe.

You can call them worshipers if you want. If people give up their lives to follow someone else in every step they take, for fear of unending punishment, they are a slave. Their lives are not their own. What exactly does he get out of creating people just to fawn over him all the time? This kind of relationship would never be considered healthy among people. No my dad didn't create the world, but he's also not a mass murdering narcissist either. He has better character than your middle eastern deity.

I've witnessed to the fact it's now on your plate, the Bible makes no claim to God's reality. If it's not your responsibility to prove the Bible faulty then why have non-believers like yourself been trying to do so for 2000 years.

The bible makes the only claim to Yahweh's reality. I guess if anyone tried to prove the bible wrong throughout history, it would be so christians would stop burning pagans and such alive at the stake and let people who didn't want to follow Yahweh live their own lives. The only problem atheists have with christianity is that you guys try to force your beliefs on others. If you did what Jesus said, about praying quietly at home, or just stuck to churches without trying to pass laws prohibiting homosexuals from being together, then we wouldn't be having these problems.

The Bible makes no claim to God's reality, God said His creation speaks for His reality, you just ain't be listening. Many have made grave mistakes in the name of Christianity, Christians do not deny this nor would we condone it today. I know a few Christians in other countries do some bad thing, that's out of the control of the church in this country and we speak out against it.
You all keep saying Christians are trying to force Christianity on non-believers, it's beyond me why you think so. If you are however talking about passing laws, then you need to consider this, we are a part of this country and have the right to voice our opinions on what we believe makes a better country. If a majority vote with us then it's law and in that majority will be non-believes who believe in that particular instance we are right. Unlike you and many non-believers you believe that what one biased judge says should be law, the country wasn't founded on this principle.

Yeah, and creation is evidence of Vishnu's reality, and Osiris' reality, and Zeus' reality, and Odin's reality, and so forth and so on. Or maybe the world is only evidence of the world's reality. There are older stories of creator deities than that which is spoken of in the torah, and before the torah, people worshiped different gods. That's why I say the bible has the only claim of Yahweh's existence, because he's not even close to the only deity that has been worshiped in history.

I guess you need to read up on the crusades, spanish inquisition, witch trials, and so forth for christians persecuting others. Theocracic governments are demonstrably bad for cultures, where largely atheist countries tend to be better. You have no right to pass laws according to your book, because the bill of rights gives us freedom of religion, and tells us to separate church and state. People have forces their beliefs on others throughout history. part of the reason this country was founded on freedom of religion was because across Europe catholics and protestants were killing each other. I didn't just pull this idea that christians have historically forced their religion on others out of my ass.

That's about the worse statement I've see here. You can't know how Christ suffered, there's no way you can know what it's like to be a sinless being then take all the sins ever committed and would be committed upon yourself, that is hell times billions. The perfect loving God became shame for a bunch of people that only He could love enough to die for. God's forgivness comes only through what Christ did, so yes it was absolutely a necessity, without it salvation would no be possible for us.

Jesus' story wasn't the only one in history about a virgin birth and resurrection and such. I guess maybe he's eternally depressed because of what happened, but in that case it just makes Yahweh look worse. It's not like sin is a physical thing. Sin is just things that people do that Yahweh doesn't want us to do. I can actually kind of relate to that, actually. I don't always get my way either. It bothers me when I don't get everything I want, or when people bullied me in school just because they could, or that my dad treats me like crap.

Well poor you you think you've got it so tough, compared to many you're on top of the world.
Sin is the physical action from thought, yes Jesus said certain thoughts were sinful and for many reasons, but for one main reason so we would train ourselves in restraint, this would help keep us from actions later regretted.
As for Jesus feeling bad, He knows the truth, the whole truth and in the end He is the truth and that's what really matters.

I know I have it a lot better than many people on earth. Once he proves he exists, we can talk all about how he had a really bad week before he got to rule the cosmos. I'll make sure to give him a hug for you.

I guess you could call that a burden, but I also don't go around killing people that do those things. I'm not going to go shoot up a school because some people get bullied. Some people are just not going to do what I want, and instead of going crazy over it, I grow up and realize that not every free thinking person is going to see things my way. I can know what it's like to be "burdened" by the thought of people in the world not worshiping me. It doesn't keep me from living my life.

You might not but others have shot up schools. I don't live an oppressed life either, I exercise my right to worship regardless of what others think. I do not see it as a burden because others believe I should isolate myself in worship and belief, actually it ain't going to happen.

That's what makes me better than them. Because I didn't do that stuff. That's also what makes me better than the way Yahweh is portrayed in the bible. You don't see it as a burden because you want to do it. Many people wouldn't, and they shouldn't be shamed or forced into doing it.