Drich,
From the article you linked to:
"The proposed time of camel domestication is before 2000 B.C.
(Free, 1944; Zeuner, 1963; Bulliet, 1978 and Ripinsky, 1985).
Epstein (1971), taking into consideration the earliest Egyptian and
Mesopotamian archaeological evidence, dates domestication as early
as 4000 B.C. Walz (1956). However, it believes that camels were
domesticated perhaps during the 13-12 century B.C. but not before
2000 B.C. (camels are mentioned in the Bible, Genesis, chap. 12, as
being used by man in Abrahamís time, about the 18th Century B.C.). "
So before we crack open the champagne on a win for you there does appear to be some room for doubt that even in Egypt camels had been domesticated at the time of Abram's visit.
If that's true - and it could be as much as 500 years later then min's point would stand.
As I said in my support of your position - subject to camels being in Egypt at that time.
After a bit more searching http://archaeology.about.com/od/cterms/g/camels.htm states:
"Dromedaries were probably domesticated in coastal settlements along the southern Arabian peninsula somewhere between 3000 and 2500 BC. The earliest reference to camels in Arabia is the Sihi mandible, a camelid bone direct dated to ca 7100-7200 cal BC, or about 8200 RCYBP. Sihi is a Neolithic coastal site in Yemen, and the bone is probably a wild dromedary. The earliest camels in Africa are from Qasr Ibrim, Nubia, 9th century BC."
Frankly I've had enough of camels now - but the case for Camels in Egypt at the time of Abram now looks weaker than it did.
From the article you linked to:
"The proposed time of camel domestication is before 2000 B.C.
(Free, 1944; Zeuner, 1963; Bulliet, 1978 and Ripinsky, 1985).
Epstein (1971), taking into consideration the earliest Egyptian and
Mesopotamian archaeological evidence, dates domestication as early
as 4000 B.C. Walz (1956). However, it believes that camels were
domesticated perhaps during the 13-12 century B.C. but not before
2000 B.C. (camels are mentioned in the Bible, Genesis, chap. 12, as
being used by man in Abrahamís time, about the 18th Century B.C.). "
So before we crack open the champagne on a win for you there does appear to be some room for doubt that even in Egypt camels had been domesticated at the time of Abram's visit.
If that's true - and it could be as much as 500 years later then min's point would stand.
As I said in my support of your position - subject to camels being in Egypt at that time.
After a bit more searching http://archaeology.about.com/od/cterms/g/camels.htm states:
"Dromedaries were probably domesticated in coastal settlements along the southern Arabian peninsula somewhere between 3000 and 2500 BC. The earliest reference to camels in Arabia is the Sihi mandible, a camelid bone direct dated to ca 7100-7200 cal BC, or about 8200 RCYBP. Sihi is a Neolithic coastal site in Yemen, and the bone is probably a wild dromedary. The earliest camels in Africa are from Qasr Ibrim, Nubia, 9th century BC."
Frankly I've had enough of camels now - but the case for Camels in Egypt at the time of Abram now looks weaker than it did.
Kuusi palaa, ja on viimeinen kerta kun annan vaimoni laittaa jouluvalot!
